posted 07-12-04 04:47 ET (US)
[This message has been edited by theinkandpen (edited 03-09-2011 @ 07:21 PM).]
It depends on what you mean by "fluff". There are errors on every page, but I wouldn't consider most of them to be critical.Quoted from theinkandpen:
verify that I am not actually writing fluff here
I saw 2 errors in that paragraph.Quoted from theinkandpen:
the section on population/workers which I still find accurate (very last paragraph.)
It might be confusing to a player who understands how the game computes desirability but who hasn't memorized desirability numbers. For example, your guide says "Fruit, olive and wine farms have a +1 desirability value", but the desirability effect that the game uses (for fruit, olive, and vine farms) is +2 adjacent, +3 with 1 tile in between, and 0 beyond that.Quoted from theinkandpen:
I don't see interpreting two pluses as +2 particularly confusing, it seemed more intuitive.
I am amused by players who call a game "broken" or "buggy" when they have difficulty playing it.Quoted from theinkandpen:
routes and path-taking by the AI was notably broken in Caesar.
Many walkers, including market traders, appear like they just wander around. (Of course, there are patterns, and we have discovered how to predict a large part of such walkers' routes, but that is rather complicated.) So if you simply place a market (or library or temple) near some houses, the market trader (or librarian or priest) might not go by those houses, or it might sometimes go by the houses, or it might always go by the houses. If you change the nearby roads then the market trader (or librarian or priest) might change its behavior. That's how the game works.Quoted from theinkandpen:
In many of my games I found that I had to destroy a market because the stupid market-vendor would walk somewhere without any dwelling, or not find the nearby warehouse.
If I may make a suggestion to Brugle.You don't know me very well. This is one of my favorite ways to relax.
You need to relax a little and stop acting quite so arrogant.
I have looked at some of your earlier posts and back then you had many ignorant questionsTrue. How is that relevant? Much of what we do here is answering questions from new players. Much of the rest is answering questions from somewhat more experienced players.
You seem to insult players for not knowing as much as youAgain, if you have an example of what you consider to be insulting behavior, please show and explain it.
I ... have been basically insulted and berated by you, more than once.Once again, if you have examples of what you consider to be insulting and berating behavior, please show and explain them.
For example, one time, I suggested a method of fighting battles in one post and you accused me of cheating.Finally, an example (although no indication of where it's from or why you consider it to be insulting and berating).
I am only asking you to be a little more polite and understandingSigh. An example and explanation of what you consider to be my impolite and misunderstanding behavior would be nice.
Please try to control your ego and try to help playersAgain--examples and explanations of what you consider to be my uncontrolled ego or my not trying to help, please.
you ... have this "better than you" attitudeOnce again, an example and explanation of what you consider to be my "better than you" attitude would be appreciated.
Please try to control what you say a little better.Perhaps you could give us an example and explanation of what you consider to be my lack of control?
please refrain from making newer players seem stupidMaybe you could give us an example and explanation of what you consider to be my making newer players seem stupid. All of us are ignorant of most things, and I try to gauge my responses to the knowledge of the player, but sometimes I mistakenly judge a player to have less experience than is the case. I could preface many of my statements with "you may already know this, but in case you don't", but that would be a major waste of my (and any reader's) time. Most people aren't so thin-skinned to take my misjudgement of their experience to be a slur on their character.
played this game for 10+ years ... but try to remember that the majority of us have not done soMy memory often fails, but I don't think I've forgotten that. An example and explanation of what you consider to be my failure to remember that most forumers haven't played the game for 10 years would allow me to consider your criticism of this point.
be more polite instead of condescendingFor what I hope is the last time, an example and explanation of what you consider to be condescending behavior would be appropriate.
Sorry about the rantI usually don't object much to a rant,
[This message has been edited by Brugle (edited 02-04-2012 @ 03:00 PM).]
...Instead of accepting any sort of criticism, you turn it back on Brugle intead...Quoted from joew771:
"Please make all posts in an appropriate thread. In this case, I'd consider the appropriate thread to be one with an example of the behavior you criticize."
That alone is an example of your arrogance. Instead of accepting any sort of criticism, you turn it back on me intead, as if I had done something wrong.
"24 2x2 houses isn't very many for a loop block. 6 fountains is a lot more than I like in a block (especially with only a moderate number of houses). These might not be a concern if housing efficiency isn't important to you."And I'd find it to be more "insulting" if he were to have left that statement out. This game is very much a sandbox where there's a significant amount of wiggle room when it comes to designing a working city. Achieving maximal efficiency is completely unnecessary in every mission. Hell, you barely even need a modest level of efficiency (On a non-existent absolute scale) to win most (If not all) missions.
That is a quote from you. That seems to be insulting to me. If you had left out the last sentence, you would not seem to be so arrogant.
"Other than for small casas (back when I was rather inexperienced), I never developed a general-purpose drop-in housing block."How is this insinuating that you're inexperienced? I relied on labour tents/shacks when I was inexperienced (Even when I was experienced, actually, I just dropped them on my most recent playthrough), but that implies nothing about other players that use that technique. I've also never, even when first starting out, relied on isolated "islands" for my missions. Again, this implies nothing about people who use that particular technique. All it does is indicate my style of play.
This quote is also from you. Seeming to imply that I am inexperienced. I am not. I may not have analyzed the game as much as you have, but that does not mean that I do not have as much knowledge or experience as you in playing games similar to this.
I also couldn't help but notice that you promote your saved cities, usually with an air of condescension. I suggested a block that include 10 or so palaces, whereupon you immediately mentioned your city of 300 or whatever palaces...I do believe this was in response to the symmetry topic that was present. Upon you stating your particular definition of symmetry, Brugle changed his previous statement about his avoidance of symmetry and used that save as the example.
I am not expecting you to post a reply defending yourself, though of course you will. You can't help it. What you should do is say "Whatever!" and move on. Will you?I am not expecting you to post a reply defending yourself, though of course you will. You can't help it. What you should do is say "Whatever!" and move on. Will you?
Wrong. My request (to put posts in appropriate threads) had nothing to do with any criticism you made of me. It is one of several requests frequently made (by me and other forumers) of newcomers to this forum. For examples in this thread, see replies #12 and #30.Quoted from joew771:
"Please make all posts in an appropriate thread. In this case, I'd consider the appropriate thread to be one with an example of the behavior you criticize."
That alone is an example of your arrogance. Instead of accepting any sort of criticism, you turn it back on me intead,
I wouldn't have used the term "something wrong"--I'd have used something like "an understandable minor mistake that many of us made when we were newcomers", but if you insist on "something wrong" then I won't argue.Quoted from joew771:
as if I had done something wrong
See Ashery's reply #34. I often (but not always) strive for high housing efficiency (for several personal reasons), but wouldn't dream of suggesting that that is better than however you like to play.Quoted from joew771:
"24 2x2 houses isn't very many for a loop block. 6 fountains is a lot more than I like in a block (especially with only a moderate number of houses). These might not be a concern if housing efficiency isn't important to you."
That is a quote from you. That seems to be insulting to me. If you had left out the last sentence, you would not seem to be so arrogant.
See Ashery's reply #34. Again, we see that your so-called example is simply your ignoring what I say and imagining that I mean something completely different.Quoted from joew771:
"Other than for small casas (back when I was rather inexperienced), I never developed a general-purpose drop-in housing block."
This quote is also from you. Seeming to imply that I am inexperienced.
I don't know what you mean by "promote". When I mention a saved game, it usually (but not always) is one of mine, because I know them. I have examined many cities by other players, but I don't remember them nearly as well as cities that I have spent hours designing and building. (Other forumers often, as expected, mention their own cities.)Quoted from joew771:
I also couldn't help but notice that you promote your saved cities,
You may not have liked my answer, but it was a reasonable answer to an unspecific request. If you are going to get upset by people doing what you ask, don't ask.Quoted from joew771:
if Brugle would like to share his "loop" block ... I would still like to know what it is
Wrong again. I discussed your villa/palace block in my first reply in your "New housing block style?" thread. In addition, the comments I made on your large/grand insula block also applied to your palace block.Quoted from joew771:
I suggested a block that include 10 or so palaces, whereupon you immediately mentioned your city of 300 or whatever palaces, with no mention of my block,
First you state ("of course") that I will do one thing, then ask if I will do something else. I have no interest in trying to figure out which (if either) you really mean.Quoted from joew771:
I am not expecting you to post a reply defending yourself, though of course you will. You can't help it. What you should do is say "Whatever!" and move on. Will you?
[This message has been edited by Brugle (edited 02-10-2012 @ 06:39 PM).]
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