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WatchWood
Pleb
posted 03-08-06 22:49 ET (US)         
The game is afoot. Chaos has errupted in this quiet town, and murder, and other foul things ensue. So it begins.

It is night. Send in night actions and confirm role via email. Night ends at about 10:00 PM friday, EST. (~48 hours)

Alive:
VisMajor
Niempie
Debbie
theferret
DarthBane
Ovidious
CenturionZ_1
moach
newIdea

Not-So-Alive:
Street Hobo - OD'd Night 1
Nonchalant - Shot Night 1

Standard rules apply, but for the 48 hour nightcap. This should spped up the game a bit, I hope. And be sure to check your emails at the dawn of each new day.



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[This message has been edited by watchwood (edited 03-10-2006 @ 03:30 PM).]

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VisMaior
Pleb
posted 03-14-06 10:09 ET (US)     51 / 96       
Debbie investigates Niempie and says she's SK. (Debbie possibly sane, insane, paranoid)
Vis investigates Debbie and says she's paranoid cop. (Vis possibly sane, insane, paranoid)
Niempie investigates Centurion and says he's townie. (Niempie possibly sane, insane, naive)
theferret investigates Debbie and says she's townie. (theferret possibly sane, insane, naive)

Lets assume 1 sane, 1 insane, 1 naive, 1 paranoid
I define sane gets true rolem
Insane gets townie for scum, and scum/sk for all town,
Naive gets townie,
paranoid gets scum/sk result

Wich could be wich?

If Im the sane one, then debbie is the paranoid one,
If debbie is the paranoid one, theferret is the naive one and Niempie is the insane one. In wich case Centurion is actually scum...


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CenturionZ_1
Pleb
posted 03-14-06 15:56 ET (US)     52 / 96       
Usually a naive, paranoid, sane, insane thing would only reveal who's townie and who's scum...

Yet people seem to be told other people's roles. I think there's something more chaotic than just the four cop roles.

Niempie is half wrong, I'm not just a vanilla townie. I am a sleepwalker, which means there's a 50-50 chance I'm out of bed during the night giving me night-kill immunity. Unfortunately being asleep, I do not know when I'm immun and when I'm not.

Although if we go down your argument Vis, I do realise as I'm the only non-cop here it does make me look like scum...but have we just assumed all four cops are cops. Boy is the naive/paranoid cop an easy role claim in a game like this.


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theferret
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posted 03-14-06 17:34 ET (US)     53 / 96       

Quote:

Oh, and of course any of these could be lying... I still think Vis's result is the odd one out in terms of the detailed information that he claims to have received. "Paranoid cop" seems to be a different level of information to "SK" or "townie"... anyway...


I don't agree with this. Everyone else was given an exact role; just the three given have been vanilla roles.

I believe that Niempe is the best target, at this point. It would help determine what debbie's role is, which could lead to determining what my role is. No other player's death could give us that much information.


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The Rover
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posted 03-14-06 21:47 ET (US)     54 / 96       
I agree with ferret but we won't be able to tell whether the other 'cops' are insane/naive pro-town roles or scum. Also, consider the fact both Vis and Debbie are mafia. They might have set this up to kill a townie and yet not risk Debbie's life.

This too shall pass
DarthBane
Pleb
posted 03-15-06 06:51 ET (US)     55 / 96       
I don't think Debbie's mafia. The move was too soon and too bold. If she was mafia she'd wait a day, build up a web of lies, or wait until everyone else had claimed cop and go "me too".
Ovidius
Pleb
posted 03-15-06 07:46 ET (US)     56 / 96       
I'd agree with Darth. Debbie may be cunning, but she's generally not reckless...

And the neural alignment of Ovidius is also very strange - Niempie
Niempie
Pleb
posted 03-15-06 08:02 ET (US)     57 / 96       
I agree, Debbie woudn't claim cop and say that I was the SK as a scum trick. Not that soon in the game.

So I do believe that Debbie is a cop, as am I.
And since there are 4 claimed cops right now, I think that it is very likely that there is one sane, one insane, one paranoid and one naive cop.


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The Rover
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posted 03-15-06 15:57 ET (US)     58 / 96       
You bring up good points, twas just a random idea, though.

This too shall pass
theferret
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posted 03-15-06 16:31 ET (US)     59 / 96       
I'm either insane or naive. Given debbie's result, she is the only one who could be paranoid.

That leaves Vis and Niempe as the other cops. As Centurion said that Niempe was wrong about his role, Niempe is insane, leaving Vis as our real cop. Seeing as this agrees with what I said earlier, I'd say it is likely:

me: naive or insane
debbie: paranoid
vis: real cop
niempe: naive or insane

I'm thinking that a Centurion kill today is a good idea, but I'm not sure if I can provide a solid reason.


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WatchWood
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posted 03-15-06 21:53 ET (US)     60 / 96       
Votecount # 2 (cause I like counting votes):

2 Niempie (Debbie, DarthBane)
1 newIdea (Ovidius)

5 to lynch.



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Niempie
Pleb
posted 03-16-06 09:53 ET (US)     61 / 96       
I'm gonne be away from Friday to Monday, without internetaccess. I will be back here on Monday evening.
But as it is in the weekend, I don't think that it could be a problem.

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CenturionZ_1
Pleb
posted 03-16-06 15:52 ET (US)     62 / 96       
Ovidius seems to be on his old lurker hunt again...but it worked last time.

vote: newIdea

See if this brings him back to the world of the active.

theferret: Why would killing me be a useful thing? Just to confirm who's insane?


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theferret
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posted 03-16-06 17:35 ET (US)     63 / 96       
I'm going to add something to the mix. My role states that I have the ability to kill a player once a night. I'm assuming we don't have a vigilate, then. To the other four cops: do you have a similar ability? If you do we can lynch someone today and then just kill everyone else off, effectively winning the game if we're all telling the truth.

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Ovidius
Pleb
posted 03-17-06 02:50 ET (US)     64 / 96       

Quoted from Centurion:

Ovidius seems to be on his old lurker hunt again


That's me! We're 64 posts into the game and newidea has yet to post... A silent player is of little use in moving the game forward.

Quoted from Mod:

Street Hobo - OD'd Night 1
Nonchalant - Shot Night 1


Quoted from Ferret:

My role states that I have the ability to kill a player once a night.


So, who did you kill?
I assume that this would be in place of an investigation? I'd say that you're unlikely to be the sane cop then (as you mentioned already)... way too powerful.

I am also not sure on the idea of killing Centurion today just to determine cop types. We need one more night with a couple double investigations and we should have a pretty solid idea of who's who.


And the neural alignment of Ovidius is also very strange - Niempie
theferret
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posted 03-17-06 08:01 ET (US)     65 / 96       

Quote:

So, who did you kill?
I assume that this would be in place of an investigation? I'd say that you're unlikely to be the sane cop then (as you mentioned already)... way too powerful.


We know I'm not sane, we don't know if I'm insane or naive. I think I'm insane, but I'm not certain.

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Debbie
Pleb
posted 03-17-06 12:42 ET (US)     66 / 96       
I do think I am the paranoid cop, and I think ferrett is naive. I also think that Vis is a true cop which would leave Neimpie as the insane one, one which gets opposite results.

Lynching Centurion would clear that up, (I don't like the way he jumped so quickly on the lurker hunt) get us to night, which, after another round of investigations we would know more about our status.

unvote

vote Centurion


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CenturionZ_1
Pleb
posted 03-17-06 15:23 ET (US)     67 / 96       
If you're so confident everyone who claimed cop is a cop why do you actually need to lynch me?

You worked out Debbie is paranoid. Vis is probably the sane cop for he managed to find Debbie's role perfectly. That means theferret and Niempie are naive and/or insane.

Lynching me isn't going to help. I've already told you that my role (sleepwlaker) isn't what Niempie found out which means either of them could be naive or insane. But obviously in this game, watchwood doesn't want to make it too pro-town by having two cops by letting the insane cop get perfectly opposite results.

If Vis is truthful in his vigilante cop claim then definetly sane and proper insane cop is way too powerful.

I merely voted for newIdea because last time round the lurker hunt was very useful. I know I were scum, I'd keep very low given the number of cop claims going around and the mess we're in.

Given one mason is gone, how about the other mason role claims, we flush out a lurker and during the night the cops investigate the last known mason.


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The Rover
Pleb
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posted 03-17-06 15:25 ET (US)     68 / 96       
The only other possibility is that Centurian is a townie - which isn't that great of a loss. At least we can find out more about the other investigators if we lynch Cent.

Vote: Centurion


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Debbie
Pleb
posted 03-17-06 16:12 ET (US)     69 / 96       
and, IMO, a sleepwalker is a little suspect....

Why do I always get blamed when Weave shows up dead?
DarthBane
Pleb
posted 03-17-06 16:35 ET (US)     70 / 96       
I'm starting to agree. Last time I saw a role resembling anything like a sleepwalker, it was a Dr Caligari-style somnambulist with night-kills.

Granted, it was my game, but still...

Unvote

Vote: Centurion

CenturionZ_1
Pleb
posted 03-18-06 07:50 ET (US)     71 / 96       
Thanks you guys...I'm the sacrificial lamb then...

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WatchWood
Pleb
posted 03-19-06 21:38 ET (US)     72 / 96       
Votecount # 3 (cause I like counting votes):

1 newIdea (Ovidius, Centurion)
3 Centurion (Debbie, moach, DarthBane)

5 to lynch.

And I'm emplacing a tentative deadline for friday, around 4 PM EST; barring more activities and discussion.



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theferret
A girl dammit!
posted 03-19-06 23:57 ET (US)     73 / 96       
It looks like I never voted.

Unvote
Vote: Centurion


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Ovidius
Pleb
posted 03-20-06 03:11 ET (US)     74 / 96       

Quoted from Mod:

1 newIdea (Ovidius, Centurion)


I am assuming that's an error...

74 posts, still no newIdea... Although I must say, voting for Centurion is seeming pretty attractive, if just to move the game forward.


And the neural alignment of Ovidius is also very strange - Niempie
WatchWood
Pleb
posted 03-20-06 15:53 ET (US)     75 / 96       
Votecount # 4:

2 newIdea (Ovidius, Centurion)
4 Centurion (Debbie, moach, DarthBane, theferret)

5 to lynch.



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