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WeaveCaesar
Pleb
posted 01-20-06 07:48 ET (US)         
A game/story title would appear here if I had the time to write one. As it is I'm hungry so you'll just have to use your imaginations...

WeaveCaesar 2006

Welcome to what happens when the godfather dies...

Players (5/12)

Niempie
CenturionZ_1
theferret
S_P
SK

Dead (7/12)

Adder - Townie
street - SK
Ovidius - Doc
Vis - Backup Cop
Darth - Cop
Watchwood - SK
Debbie - Doc


You all know the rules, game on.

IT IS Night THREE


Why does everyone think I killed Debbie?

[This message has been edited by WeaveCaesar (edited 02-21-2006 @ 02:29 PM).]

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theferret
A girl dammit!
posted 02-12-06 13:49 ET (US)     126 / 219       

Quote:

ferret did seem awfully upset yesterday and the extent to which he laboured over the failed kill was unusual. Also his adamance that we cannot know whether night kills are percentage based seems to me to be that words of a SK who realised that he gave too much away last time round and it trying to divert the conversation.


Again, this comes from you not knowing me and my play style. I'd never do something as stupid as questioning why something that I did failed. My solid rule, as mafia, is that you never are the first to say something - you only reply to others, and expand on what they think. To do otherwise casts too much attention on yourself.

About my adamance, you can ask Supa, who'll tell you that I can be pretty adamant when I'm right.

And I don't see how I'm diverting the conversation. Aren't I telling us that we have to consider it as an option? That is adding to the conversation, not detracting from it.

I agree that a vigilate in this game is unlikely.


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CenturionZ_1
Pleb
posted 02-12-06 14:19 ET (US)     127 / 219       
Debbie: If you set this game up, no matter how unlikely it was, wouldn't you make it so the game could be guarantedd to reach a day stage.

I for one would defintely ensure the SKs didn't kill each other off in night one. There's no way I would spend my time sending out emails, preparing the game only for the town to win in Night 0.

Your response is highly suspicious. How is it implauisble SKs had immunity on night 0? We haven't accused you of being scum, merely that SKs probably had immunity on the first night to guarantee we had at least one day. Your response is very defensive and seems to suggest you know that you escaped death on night 0 because you were a SK.

I would have been far less suspicious had you agreed that it may have been that SKs were immune on night 0 but you survived because the SKs were probably percentage based. By being so defensive about this whole issue Debbie, I think you may have given yourself away.

FOS Debbie

ferret: You are currently in the clear...


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My idea there maybe a vigilante is that the role fits in nicely with every man for himself motif of this game.


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theferret
A girl dammit!
posted 02-12-06 14:27 ET (US)     128 / 219       
I'm split 50/50 on whether or not SKs had night immunity or if they have percentage based kills.

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Niempie
Pleb
posted 02-12-06 15:31 ET (US)     129 / 219       
I must admit that the night zero immunity for the SK sounds plausible to me.
I can imagine that, when you set up a game like this, you surely wouldn't want to end before the game had already started...
And even if the odds are very unlikely, it is, in theory, still possible that all the SK's in this game would target each other in one night.

And taking this in consideration, Debbie is my number one suspect at this moment.

No vote yet, but a FOS: Debbie.


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watchwood
Pleb
posted 02-12-06 15:53 ET (US)     130 / 219       
It does seem interesting how debbie survived that night, as I think it was fairly plain that she was not protected. Aside from the given theories of scum getting a first-night protection from each other, I find myself at a loss as to how this is possible.


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theferret
A girl dammit!
posted 02-12-06 16:34 ET (US)     131 / 219       

Quote:

It does seem interesting how debbie survived that night, as I think it was fairly plain that she was not protected. Aside from the given theories of scum getting a first-night protection from each other, I find myself at a loss as to how this is possible.


Simple: the serial killers have percentage based kill chances. My guess would be a 75% chance of a successful kill.

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Debbie
Pleb
posted 02-12-06 18:29 ET (US)     132 / 219       
I don't know where you are getting the "defensive" from. I merely stated my opinion and in my opinion, serial killers all getting immunity on night one is highly implausible and very unlikely.

Quote:

I would have been far less suspicious had you agreed that it may have been that SKs were immune on night 0 but you survived because the SKs were probably percentage based. By being so defensive about this whole issue Debbie, I think you may have given yourself away.

So, I have to go along with the group and agree with everybody all the time even when I don't believe it is so? and then, when I don't I'm all defensive and suspicious? Please try to come up with another reason that I'm so suspicious.


Why do I always get blamed when Weave shows up dead?
DarthBane
Pleb
posted 02-12-06 18:35 ET (US)     133 / 219       
Hmmmmmmmmmmm...

Now, this is interesting. Centurion is really pushing to get Debbie lynched here, without actually voting for her himself. I don't like that.

unvote

Vote: Centurion

WeaveCaesar
Pleb
posted 02-12-06 19:38 ET (US)     134 / 219       
Votecount

theferret (SK)
Centurion (Darth)


Why does everyone think I killed Debbie?
Supa_Psyche
Pleb
posted 02-13-06 00:41 ET (US)     135 / 219       
[quote]Now, this is interesting. Centurion is really pushing to get Debbie lynched here, without actually voting for her himself. I don't like that.[/q]

I found that odd too.

Vote:Centurion


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watchwood
Pleb
posted 02-13-06 13:52 ET (US)     136 / 219       
It certainly is interesting, but I'd prefer to hear from Centurion , and give him a chance to defend himself.


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Niempie
Pleb
posted 02-13-06 15:34 ET (US)     137 / 219       
At this point I am sure that Centurion isn't one of the SK's we are looking for.

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DarthBane
Pleb
posted 02-13-06 15:58 ET (US)     138 / 219       
And you're sure of this how?
Niempie
Pleb
posted 02-13-06 16:14 ET (US)     139 / 219       
Why would you think that I know that Centurion isn't one of the SK's around here? Because I checked him out last night and I discovered that he is a pro-town player.

Normally I would have waited for Centurion to also tell you that he isn't a SK in this game, but since I don't have access to this site until tomorrow evening (can't reach this site from work) and we can't lose another pro-town player at this moment, I thought that this would be the best moment to try to save Centurion by telling you all that Centurion is a pro-town player.


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CenturionZ_1
Pleb
posted 02-13-06 16:29 ET (US)     140 / 219       
DarthBane/Supa, you guys are really peculiar. DarthBane, you said yourself you need to be careful where we tread and to me that means FOS people and giving a chance to defend themselves before you vote on them.

Why?

Well say I did vote for Debbie. If someone else voted for Debbie all the two SKs would have to do is calmly and inconspiciously join the badnwagon wait for some impatient townie and bam, that player is dead before we even hear a defence.

You think it would be smarter to wait before voting? I FOS Debbie to hear why she thought my idea was implausible. Although I still suspect her, DarthBane you are becoming ever more scummy.

I lay a finger of suspicion on you which you totally ignore, but all of a sudden you change your posting habits (big long posts all of a sudden with frequent intervals) and then accuse me a few posts later. Sounds to me like you were waiting for a chance to retaliate on me wihtout it looking like a guilty defence against my accusations.

Darth, I said I suspected you from the start of the day and the way you've posted as the day has progressed has made me sure you are scum.

I wuold FOS you but as you think my cautious playing is suspicious:

vote Darth

I would still like a defence or role claim if possible though.

S_P: Given the 5 majority, being so quick to bandwagon jump makes you dangerous for the town but also slightly scummy.


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I believe this means Niempie is a cop so would the doc remember to protect him tonight. I guess if you don't believe I'm pro-town you're going to have to lynch Niempie for being an SK too.

But why would an SK lie about being a cop to save a townie? Therefore if I'm townie, so is Niempie and he is telling the truth about being cop.

If I were SK...I would now know Niempie is SK and given we win by killing off town AND SK, Niempie should have killed me off either last night if he knew I were SK or kept quiet and killed me tonight and let the lynch go ahead.


Either way, please realise I'm pro-town and Niempie's cop.


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DarthBane
Pleb
posted 02-13-06 16:30 ET (US)     141 / 219       
Interesting...

unvote for now.

So you claim to be a cop, eh? Who else did you investigate?

Just so you know, I don't believe you. Yet.

StarKey
Pharaolympics 2000 Competitor
posted 02-13-06 17:03 ET (US)     142 / 219       

Quoted from theferret:

I'd never do something as stupid as questioning why something that I did failed.

I suppose this is a possibility and I like that answer.

UNVOTE= theferret.

Quoted from CZ:

It seems to me that Starkey's suggestion of SKs unable to kill each other off in Night 1 is plausible. Weave had to do something to stop all three SKs killing each other on the first night.

Quoted from Debbie:

I think that is the most implausible statement yet.

Implying there have been other "implausible" statements.

You said you never considered the 50/50 option early on, could this be because you already knew why you didn't die.
You were pretty adament about thanking whoever it was that "protected" you, even when there was no mention of being so. You also jumped on theferret bandwagon right after me, putting him just two shy of a lynch, that was kind of scummy.

I know I have other suspicious observations of you, but I need to get some sleep before I head back to work tonight and I haven't the time to research them all right now.

VOTE=Debbie

DarthBane
Pleb
posted 02-13-06 17:16 ET (US)     143 / 219       

Quoted from Centurion, post 113:

As no cop claim has come out, I'm assuming cop turned up two good guys during the night..which means it'll be another semi-blind lynch today.

Which is exactly why I remained quiet. Which is also why I was shocked by Niempie's claim just now.

Quoted from Centurion, post 116:

My suspicions are today on DarthBane. His postings have been few and far between and usually have been 2 liners. He hasn't yet posted a meaty contribution to the game which seems to me odd. But this is only a hunch...I've no evidence as of yet and I'm certainly not going to cast my vote yet.

At this point, the time I could spend posting in the game was quite low, due to other things I had to take care of. The other week I travelled home, last week I was catching up with people, this weekend I had more time to post. And more reason to. If you'll notice, I tend to post more when I have a reason to post.

Quoted from Centurion, post 140:

DarthBane, you said yourself you need to be careful where we tread

Yes, I did, and with good reason. You'll see why.

Quote:

I lay a finger of suspicion on you which you totally ignore, but all of a sudden you change your posting habits (big long posts all of a sudden with frequent intervals) and then accuse me a few posts later. Sounds to me like you were waiting for a chance to retaliate on me wihtout it looking like a guilty defence against my accusations.

If you'll notice, my posting changed in both games at the same time, in exactly the same way. Why is this, you may ask? Because Day dawned in the other game. And my playing style is the same in both games because I'm playing the same role. And my posts got longer, because I was had knowledge in my possession that meant I could make posts defending/accusing with conviction.

Quoted from me, Post 108:

Damnit, this is bad. We're down to one cop and one doc, now?

Here's where we tread very carefully. I mean, we can still win, but it's not going to be easy.

Translation: I know I'm a cop, and I know there's one doc left... are we all that's left?

If Niempie is telling the truth, then no. Myself and the doc (who I investigated first night) are clearly not the only ones left alive. If we've got the Doc and Backup Doc left, and myself and Niempie... then we're not doing as badly as I first thought. Unless there's no backup doc.

I'm loathe to name the doc, who I investigated first night (I refuse to make somebody a target who could stay in the shadows and protect someone else from death). Second night I investigated Ovidius. Bloody typical, really.

Niempie, if we can compare our results, we could probably narrow down the list of suspicious characters. And if we can get into Day three with two seperate investigation results, that would be 7 confirmed roles.

theferret
A girl dammit!
posted 02-13-06 18:48 ET (US)     144 / 219       
I find it very unlikely that both Niempe and Darth are cops.

Very unlikely, especially considering that a backup cop already died.

However, if they are both telling the truth I think it highly likely that Debbie is an SK, and had immunity on night zero. The night immunity for SKs makes more sense if there are more cops in the game.

If one of them is lying, my bet would be on Darth. Niempe would have no reason to lie, unless he wanted to get night protection for himself tonight. I don't think that the potential benefit of claiming is higher than the cost of the real cop coming out, though.

Darth did not name anyone's role, which is in of itself highly suspicious.


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DarthBane
Pleb
posted 02-13-06 20:37 ET (US)     145 / 219       
So, the only way of proving the fact that I am in fact a cop, is by outing the only surviving doc? Brilliant.
watchwood
Pleb
posted 02-13-06 21:57 ET (US)     146 / 219       
@theferret - while I agree that a dual-cop setup is a little much in a game this small, especially with a backup cop in the mix. I also think that there's got to be a better idea for figuring this one out then the 'lynch-one-and-hope' idea you seem to be implying..


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DarthBane
Pleb
posted 02-13-06 21:58 ET (US)     147 / 219       
Especially when you lynch me and you lose a cop. No, better that Niempie comes back online and we correlate our results, thus narrowing the list of possible SKs.
Supa_Psyche
Pleb
posted 02-14-06 05:17 ET (US)     148 / 219       
*brain explodes*

So Niempie and DarthBane are both cops? Giving a total of three cops in this game? Too many for my liking.

Quoted from DarthBane:

So, the only way of proving the fact that I am in fact a cop, is by outing the only surviving doc? Brilliant.

This reeks of Wifom.

To me it reads, "hey guys I'm a cop, but I refuse to prove it because I investigated a doctor, and you wouldn't want the scum to know who it is would you?"

Classic scum tactic.

Also, how can you and Niempie correlate your results? The only result that you say you have is that of the doctor, and from what I gather you don't want to out him. So who really will give their results?

Seems like a way to get the cop to reveal his investigations in a non-suspicious way to me.

unvote

VotearthBane


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Supa_Psyche
Pleb
posted 02-14-06 05:26 ET (US)     149 / 219       
Gah, stupid smilies.

Confirm Vote: DathBane


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DarthBane
Pleb
posted 02-14-06 06:29 ET (US)     150 / 219       
I've slept on this. If Niempie is a Serial Killer, there's no way for the town to win now.

3 cops is improbable. And of course, I wasn't the first to claim, so I'm the suspicious one. Fine. You'll all want to lynch me now... and I wouldn't blame you, because none of you are psychic. And then you'll realise I was a cop, and you'll be torn, with some of you wanting to lynch niempie, and the rest of you not wanting to, in case she actually is a cop.

Go ahead. Lynch me. I won't fight it any more *sighs*

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