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WeaveCaesar
Pleb
posted 01-20-06 07:48 ET (US)         
A game/story title would appear here if I had the time to write one. As it is I'm hungry so you'll just have to use your imaginations...

WeaveCaesar 2006

Welcome to what happens when the godfather dies...

Players (5/12)

Niempie
CenturionZ_1
theferret
S_P
SK

Dead (7/12)

Adder - Townie
street - SK
Ovidius - Doc
Vis - Backup Cop
Darth - Cop
Watchwood - SK
Debbie - Doc


You all know the rules, game on.

IT IS Night THREE


Why does everyone think I killed Debbie?

[This message has been edited by WeaveCaesar (edited 02-21-2006 @ 02:29 PM).]

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Debbie
Pleb
posted 02-14-06 08:22 ET (US)     151 / 219       

Quote:

3 cops is improbable

actually, it is not. I said so way way back in post #11:

Quote:

So we have three killers, and at least two docs. I would speculate this game is is three serial killers, three docs, three cops, three townies which would balance the game.

Is it not possible that we started this game with 3 serial killers, 2 cops, one back up cop, 2 docs, one back up doc, and three townies?

The only thing that doesn't really fit with this set up is Centurian's seemingly insistance that there are 2 masons. (he said so twice)

Assuming that everyone who has claimed is telling the truth: (and actually, I do believe them)

Darth is a cop
Niempie is a cop
Centurian is a pro town player
the back up cop is dead
one doc is dead
one doc is alive and darth knows who it is
the back up doc is alive
2 serial killers are left
2 townies are left

Quote:

So Niempie and DarthBane are both cops? Giving a total of three cops in this game? Too many for my liking.

if you think about it, with three separate killers, two cops with a back up would make the balance better.

I think we should back off until Niempie can tell us who the second person was that she investigated and the result. Then, Darth can out his known doc, in fact, I would insist that he do so. Our suspects would be narrowed and we can lynch one of the remaining "uncleared" players. If a doc can protect any townsperson, he might be able to protect himself, or choose between the two claimed cops. The two cops could choose whom to investigate from the remaining "uncleared" players, thus clearing at least one more, perhaps two, or fingering scum.

Centurion: Are you a mason with a partner? You seem so insistant that there are masons in this game. As a cleared player (cleared by Niempie) after Niempie says who else she investigated and the result and Darth outs his known doc, you can greatly help the town by narrowing down the list one more name by naming your partner.

and while some of you think this is giving the serial killers more targets, they have enough of those already.


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DarthBane
Pleb
posted 02-14-06 08:28 ET (US)     152 / 219       
Works for me.
WeaveCaesar
Pleb
posted 02-14-06 08:48 ET (US)     153 / 219       
Votecount

Debbie 1 (SK)
Darth 2 (Centurion, Supa)

Deadline Friday 12 Noon GMT


Why does everyone think I killed Debbie?
StarKey
Pharaolympics 2000 Competitor
posted 02-14-06 11:44 ET (US)     154 / 219       

Quoted from Centurion #123:

I seem to think there are no masons in this game either...due to the fact I strongly believe there are too many doc and cop roles for there to be masons.

Quoted from Debbie #151:

The only thing that doesn't really fit with this set up is Centurian's seemingly insistance that there are 2 masons. (he said so twice)

What am I missing here Debs, are you hoping people won't go back and varify for themselves or simply just take your word for it?


Quoted from Debbie:

Then, Darth can out his known doc, in fact, I would insist that he do so.

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and while some of you think this is giving the serial killers more targets, they have enough of those already.


true, but there are "targets" and there are "TARGETS" and by you insisting that darth out a known Doc, that would give you or the other SK a good TARGET.


Debbie
Pleb
posted 02-14-06 12:44 ET (US)     155 / 219       
Starkey, you need to quit fixating on me and look elsewhere. I know it would just make the game for you, win or lose, if you succeed in getting me lynched, but the town is more important and you need to stop, step back and actually read some things and read between the lines.

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What am I missing here Debs, are you hoping people won't go back and varify for themselves or simply just take your word for it?

of course I went back and looked and expect others to do the same. Centurion, in post 16 and post 106, speculated on the make up of the game to include masons both times. By post 113 and 123 he was changing his mind, mostly I think because of the possible numbers of docs and cops. One thing I know about him, he might be pro town but he is not a cop or a doc, which, given my theory, would still allow for two roles, masons, which would fit, or just two townies. It is a simple yes or no question, when answered we know if we can clear another townie or not.

If you want to examine somebody's posts more closely, I suggest Centurion's. While I don't suspect him, you might have fun trying to frame him instead of me with his percentages about a no lynch because of the odds against actually hitting a serial killer and then his insistence that Weave would give serial killers night one immunity because of the odds that they would kill each other off night one and spoil the game. Look also at who else is agreeing with the "weave had to give serial killers night one immunity". Maybe you can find somebody there to pick on.


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Niempie
Pleb
posted 02-14-06 12:45 ET (US)     156 / 219       
I see that the fact that Darth also is claiming cop is a little bit confusing. But I believe that the set-up very well could be:

3 SK's
2 Cops and 1 Back up Cop
2 Docs and 1 Backup Doc
3 Townies

I'm willing to give my results of night one.
On night one I investigated Ovidius and got back that he was the Doc. And sadly we all know that that is true.

And I think that Darth only has to tell who he investigated on night one, if that person is likely to be lynched. I don't think that at this moment it is good for the town to tell the remaining SK's who the doc is.

I also like the idea of Darth to investigate different people tonight and share our results tomorrow.


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StarKey
Pharaolympics 2000 Competitor
posted 02-14-06 14:20 ET (US)     157 / 219       

Quote:

Look also at who else is agreeing with the "weave had to give serial killers night one immunity". Maybe you can find somebody there to pick on.

Well, seeing as how I came up with the original thought regarding SK night immunity, I suppose I could just start picking on myself. You're right, many others agreed with me that immunity might have been a valid reason for your not having been killed that night, but of course you couldn't agree because that makes you scum...so to you it's "not plausible"


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Starkey, you need to quit fixating on me and look elsewhere. I know it would just make the game for you, win or lose, if you succeed in getting me lynched, but the town is more important and you need to stop, step back and actually read some things and read between the lines

My My...don't you have an inflated sense of self worth, maybe you hadn't noticed, but you're just my latest fixation, when I was fixated on theferret he didn't resort to whining and complaining about being "picked on", neither did streethobo for that matter, but poor little ol' Debbie, she's being picked on by that mean ol' StarKey.


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step back and actually read some things and read between the lines.

That! is a brilliant! idea...thanks for the suggestion, I never would have thought of that on my own... only... that's what I've been doing the entire game.

HAPPY VALENTINES SWEETIE!!!


theferret
A girl dammit!
posted 02-14-06 14:44 ET (US)     158 / 219       
I don't think this discussion is going anywhere.

Vote: Debbie

Gut feeling, dating back to the opening of the game. I really don't have another reason, it just feels right.


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Debbie
Pleb
posted 02-14-06 15:12 ET (US)     159 / 219       

Quote:

And I think that Darth only has to tell who he investigated on night one, if that person is likely to be lynched. I don't think that at this moment it is good for the town to tell the remaining SK's who the doc is.

disagree.....if the theory is correct, there is another doc, a back up, who would remain unknown. SK already have enough targets to choose from, one more won't hurt.

Quote:

I suppose I could just start picking on myself. You're right, many others agreed with me that immunity might have been a valid reason for your not having been killed that night, but of course you couldn't agree because that makes you scum

SK immunity night one is just a stupid idea, it was stupid when it was first mentioned, and I cannot believe it is still being tossed around. How does believing that this is improbable makes me scum?

oh and VOTE SK because you're picking on me, plus you are one of the four that are not cleared.


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Niempie
Pleb
posted 02-14-06 17:16 ET (US)     160 / 219       
I have given it some thought about how Darth and I could get different results for day three without painting a big target on the persons we decided to investigate.

So I got the idea right now that we could spit the list of the alive players who are not cleared right now:

Watchwood
theferret
S_P
Debbie
SK

In this list is off course still the person that Darth investigated the first night, but we don't have a name right now.
For example, I pick a name from the first two players and Darth picks a name of the last three players.

What do you think of this idea?


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theferret
A girl dammit!
posted 02-14-06 17:47 ET (US)     161 / 219       
Odds are one or both of you would die.

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DarthBane
Pleb
posted 02-14-06 17:58 ET (US)     162 / 219       
Aha! I have a plan. Niempie, check one of the first two. I'll check the remaining three. The doc should protect the cop investigating the group that they're not in.
StarKey
Pharaolympics 2000 Competitor
posted 02-14-06 22:00 ET (US)     163 / 219       

Quote:

Niempie, check one of the first two. I'll check the remaining three.

Just how many investigations do you get to be able to check all three? I could sit here and plead with you to check me, to give me that coveted "being cleared", but why waste an investigation an a vanilla townie.


Quote:

plus you are one of the four that are not cleared.

I believe that number is actual six that haven't been "cleared", nobody has actually "cleared" darth, he claimed cop...but so what.


Quote:

SK immunity night one is just a stupid idea, it was stupid when it was first mentioned, and I cannot believe it is still being tossed around. How does believing that this is improbable makes me scum?

If you can't figure it out on your own...well, I guess the idea isn't the only stupid thing around here.


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oh and VOTE SK because you're picking on me

Now there's a well thought out reason for a vote if I ever saw one.

DarthBane
Pleb
posted 02-14-06 22:57 ET (US)     164 / 219       
As long as Niempie's telling the truth, which I'm inclined to believe she is, and we both survive, that only leaves two unknowns.
Debbie
Pleb
posted 02-15-06 08:22 ET (US)     165 / 219       
ummm......we still have to get through today.

Why do I always get blamed when Weave shows up dead?
CenturionZ_1
Pleb
posted 02-15-06 16:18 ET (US)     166 / 219       
Firstly to clear things up:

I only thought there were masons because in the beginning I believed there were 2 cops and 2 docs. Later I thought there were 3 docs and later still I thought there were 3 cops. By this stage I decided there could be no masons. (3 docs/3 cops includes the backup of course.)

A 3-3-3-3 SK-Cop-Doc-Towniw set up seems right but given the large number of cops/docs I suspect SKs having percentage hits wuold make the game unfair for the SKs given the large number of cops and docs.

This means Debs was not saved by a percentage hit SK and I believe Weave made it so SKs couldn't kill each other on night one.

Thus unvote

vote: Debbie

I strongly believe it was the only way Debs survived the attack without being protected.


I think Darth is telling the truth. If SKs can kill each other off now and Darth is running the risk by claiming cop and being killed during the night. But if SKs can't kill each other off Darth should have known this and would then just claim cop and be almost certain of being safe.

However this seems unlikely and given we very probably have three docs, I'm inclined to believe Darth is the third cop.

Also I agree than the identity of the doc should be kept anonymous till we hit another SK. Then we can use a role claim to find the other SK.


Final sum up:

Pro-Town: (I'm fairly certain about these people)
Me (of course)
Niempie

Perhaps Pro-Town: (What my gut says)
Darth
StarKey

Unsure Either Way:
Supa_Psyche
Watchwood (I have no clue about him, if he's scum he's played it well.)

Suspicious Of:
theferret
Debs

(Note arranged in order of my suspicions.)


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Debbie
Pleb
posted 02-15-06 18:31 ET (US)     167 / 219       

Quote:

Also I agree than the identity of the doc should be kept anonymous till we hit another SK. Then we can use a role claim to find the other SK.

Darth, now is the time I think for your to name your known doc.....


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theferret
A girl dammit!
posted 02-15-06 18:37 ET (US)     168 / 219       
Unvote: Deb

until we hear from Darth


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DarthBane
Pleb
posted 02-15-06 19:27 ET (US)     169 / 219       
Okay, but only because you're specifically asking me to.

Debbie is the other doc.

The unknowns:
watchwood
theferret
supa_psyche
starkey

DarthBane
Pleb
posted 02-15-06 19:30 ET (US)     170 / 219       
Carrying on:

I've known Debbie is the doc from the beginning, that's why on at least one occasion I've disagreed with people believing she was scum, and at least once I've put a vote on someone because they voted for her.

WatchWood
Pleb
posted 02-15-06 21:12 ET (US)     171 / 219       
OK, so given that debbie is a doc, there is still something that does not strike me as right. Given the proposed setup of 3/3/3/3 of each, it strikes me as extremely overpowered for the town, especially in a game this small. I'm pretty sure we're missing a detail here, and I would very much like to know what it is.


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StarKey
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posted 02-15-06 22:06 ET (US)     172 / 219       
UNVOTE=DEBBIE

Seeing as how I know I'm just a simple townie, but not being able to prove such to the rest of the town, and taking CZ's list in to consideration, I've never really paided much attention to Watchwood or SP. I was so "fixated" and Debbie and theferret that those other two flew right under the radar.

FOS= Watchwood and S_P

So does this mean that Debbie protected herself the first night and if so, it would have been helpful if the mod had mentioned such (that she was protected). That would have gone a long way in preventing all of the drama that resulted from the vag storyline surrounding Debbie that night. To me, and obviously some others, it made her look suspicious from the get go, but maybe that was the mods intent.

theferret
A girl dammit!
posted 02-15-06 23:20 ET (US)     173 / 219       

Quote:

The unknowns:
watchwood
theferret
supa_psyche
starkey


How do you know that Centurion is innocent? He'd be my prime suspect ATM, now that Debbie is clear.

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Debbie
Pleb
posted 02-15-06 23:28 ET (US)     174 / 219       

Quote:

To me, and obviously some others, it made her look suspicious from the get go, but maybe that was the mods intent.

maybe so. Weave always likes to see me squirm and maybe it was his way of doing so.

I accept your apology

the first night I was Ovidius's guardian angel. Much to my dismay I abandoned him the second night. With the numbers left, and assuming it is 3/3/3/3, and only knowing Centurion as pro town, two of the unknowns are serial killers, and two are pro town with the back up doc still unknown.

I'm open to suggestions on how to proceed from here.

Quote:

How do you know that Centurion is innocent? He'd be my prime suspect ATM, now that Debbie is clear.

he was cleared by Niempie as a pro town player.


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Supa_Psyche
Pleb
posted 02-16-06 05:32 ET (US)     175 / 219       

Quoted from "StarKey":

Seeing as how I know I'm just a simple townie, but not being able to prove such to the rest of the town, and taking CZ's list in to consideration, I've never really paided much attention to Watchwood or SP. I was so "fixated" and Debbie and theferret that those other two flew right under the radar.

FOS= Watchwood and S_P

So what, Watchwood and I are suspicious because you haven't been paying attention to our posts?


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