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WeaveCaesar
Pleb
posted 01-20-06 07:48 ET (US)         
A game/story title would appear here if I had the time to write one. As it is I'm hungry so you'll just have to use your imaginations...

WeaveCaesar 2006

Welcome to what happens when the godfather dies...

Players (5/12)

Niempie
CenturionZ_1
theferret
S_P
SK

Dead (7/12)

Adder - Townie
street - SK
Ovidius - Doc
Vis - Backup Cop
Darth - Cop
Watchwood - SK
Debbie - Doc


You all know the rules, game on.

IT IS Night THREE


Why does everyone think I killed Debbie?

[This message has been edited by WeaveCaesar (edited 02-21-2006 @ 02:29 PM).]

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WatchWood
Pleb
posted 01-30-06 21:34 ET (US)     51 / 219       
True Niempie, though there's still the question of who.

@Supa_Psyche - You'll have to forgive me if I fail to see the irony.



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theferret
A girl dammit!
posted 01-30-06 23:32 ET (US)     52 / 219       
I'm fine with a random vote, as long as it isn't me.

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Ovidius
Pleb
posted 01-31-06 11:36 ET (US)     53 / 219       

Quoted from Vis:

Also, voting for feret because he is for random lynches is a bit hypocritical, I think. Therefore vote Supa_Psyche


Haha! And what would your vote be then?

No lynch is not good. Anyway, even if there are multiple killers in a game, I've found when I've been modding that they kill everyone except each other.

UNVOTE
VOTE FERRET
... he seems to be experienced, so he should know better than to advocate a no-lynch!


And the neural alignment of Ovidius is also very strange - Niempie
VisMaior
Pleb
posted 01-31-06 12:08 ET (US)     54 / 219       

Quote:

Haha! And what would your vote be then?

My vote is not random.

StarKey
Pharaolympics 2000 Competitor
posted 01-31-06 13:47 ET (US)     55 / 219       
I'm inclined to be in favor of a Day 1 lynch, be it random or not. I of course would prefer to have evidence pointing towards an individual, but that rarely happens on Day 1. Rereading the whole thread from the beginning I found it interesting that 12 out of the first 15 posts centered around Deborah's near miss. Which is only fair because there was that question of whether she was protected or if the SK's have limited abilities. I'm leaning more towards the later.

What I found interesting was theferrets interest in the whole discussion. It's almost like he was disappointed that his kill shot failed and so he attempted to paint Deborah in a less than favorable light. i.e....

Quoted from theferret:

01-24-06 08:10 #5
I'm wondering what other people think about Deb's story. What kind of role might she have, that she has inherant night protection? I've found that those roles are usually scum.

Quoted from Ovidius:

01-24-06 08:20 #7
I can't see her having permanent automatic immunity from night kills. I've never seen a role like that here, but if what you say about them being scummy roles is true, then Deb's cover has been blown by the mod... Pretty unfair if you ask me.

Quoted from theferret:

01-24-06 08:22 #8
I've seen them several times. Often a mafia godfather will have it, and occasionally other scum roles.
...For now I'll give her the benefit of the doubt, but we should keep it in mind.


To which Debbie replys:

Quoted from Debbie:

01-24-06 08:40 #9
there is no indication that Deborah is me. Although that is my real name...


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Quoted from theferret:

#8
I'm not entirely sure it makes sense in this game to give all three SKs night protection

Quoted from Debbie:

#9
makes no sense at all, in my experience, nobody has had permanent night protection. Mafia godfathers usually have immunity protection from cops (if investigated they show to be innocent)

To which theferret replies:

Quoted from theferret:

01-24-06 13:55 #15
Deb seemed a little too defensive for my taste.


Now, when a person is the topic of discussion in 12 out of the first 15 posts and several of those posts attempt to paint that person in a bad light, doesn't that person have the right to defend themself? And when that person does, they are then accused of being "defensive"...huh?


So where am I going with this...hell, I don't know...I just felt like typing something this morning.

VOTE: theferret

Have a great day!!


VisMaior
Pleb
posted 01-31-06 13:58 ET (US)     56 / 219       
Well, if he were Sk would he not know inherently the type of restriction he has? If he is Sk I assume that the percent based approach is not correct. Instead his failed kill would have come to him as a surprise, too. That means Debbie was either protected or has some nightkill immunity (and as such, has lied and is scum).
OTOH I must say that your case against theferret seams rational.
DarthBane
Pleb
posted 01-31-06 14:29 ET (US)     57 / 219       
I've modded games where pro-town players had nightkill immunity. Often it was limited to just one night, but still...
CenturionZ_1
Pleb
posted 01-31-06 15:04 ET (US)     58 / 219       
Then again, we all know the SKs aren't going to be that aggressive on day one given most of the players will pounce on any little thing.

Perhaps ferret is just an aggressive townie?

Or perhaps he knows we'll think that and he's trying to double bluff us.


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theferret
A girl dammit!
posted 01-31-06 21:13 ET (US)     59 / 219       

Quote:

he seems to be experienced, so he should know better than to advocate a no-lynch!


I am as anti-no-lynch as a player gets. What ever gave you the opinion that I support a no lynch?

Quote:

Now, when a person is the topic of discussion in 12 out of the first 15 posts and several of those posts attempt to paint that person in a bad light, doesn't that person have the right to defend themself? And when that person does, they are then accused of being "defensive"...huh?


Or maybe I asked a question, got an answer, and responded to that answer? Deb's statement that Deborah might not be her is what made me suspicious, as the other two people were mentioned by name. She made a big deal about a very little thing.

Quote:

Perhaps ferret is just an aggressive townie?


Haha, yes, I am. Just ask Supa about it, or look in any OD game other than the most recent one. I define aggressive. No one is more willing to accuse than I am.

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"ferret has a well-known reputation for trickery and deception"
Debbie
Pleb
posted 01-31-06 22:49 ET (US)     60 / 219       

Quoted from VisMaior:

Well, if he were Sk would he not know inherently the type of restriction he has? If he is Sk I assume that the percent based approach is not correct. Instead his failed kill would have come to him as a surprise, too. That means Debbie was either protected or has some nightkill immunity (and as such, has lied and is scum).
OTOH I must say that your case against theferret seams rational.

I think if I had nightkill immunity I would more likely be pro-town, but I didn't have nightkill immunity that night. I'm more or less (more than less) convinced that the serial killers are percentage based, and whether or not they know that is questionable. (I don't suppose a serial killer would like to come forward with that info? the possibility of percentage based kills was never entertained by me but first mentioned by Vis, seconded by Niempie, and then by Starkey-- OMG I'm agreeing with Starkey

Quoted from darth:

I've modded games where pro-town players had nightkill immunity. Often it was limited to just one night, but still...

I think I was the recipient of that in a past game of yours.

Quoted from ferret:

Deb's statement that Deborah might not be her is what made me suspicious, as the other two people were mentioned by name. She made a big deal about a very little thing.

Like I said, Ferret, nobody calls me "Deborah" except my mother. I didn't get a name with my role. But, knowing Weave's twisted mind, he might be calling me Deborah in this game just for his own amusement. He has a history of giving nicknames in his games if it pleases him. If he wants to call me that in this game, I don't care.

Quoted from ferret:

Haha, yes, I am. Just ask Supa about it, or look in any OD game other than the most recent one. I define aggressive. No one is more willing to accuse than I am

This ain't OD.....and agreessive here can be completely different than there...I do believe you have three votes already, half the number to lynch.

vote ferret now you have four....


Why do I always get blamed when Weave shows up dead?
theferret
A girl dammit!
posted 01-31-06 23:41 ET (US)     61 / 219       

Quote:

This ain't OD.....and agreessive here can be completely different than there...


I play the same way no matter where I play. Again, ask Supa - with the exception of hospital mafia, where I had posting restrictions, I play the same style game every single time.

If this is your only reason to vote for me, it's a weak reason.

Quote:

I think if I had nightkill immunity I would more likely be pro-town, but I didn't have nightkill immunity that night.


The reason I believe that you have immunity was that you turned, which caused the bullet to miss - your action stopped the kill, rather than a simple miss by the SK. Am I reading into things too much? Maybe. I don't know how many hints Weave drops.

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Ovidius
Pleb
posted 02-01-06 01:01 ET (US)     62 / 219       

Quoted from ferret:

I am as anti-no-lynch as a player gets. What ever gave you the opinion that I support a no lynch?


Oops, you're right! Sorry, am hectically busy and seemed to have misread 'random lynch' as 'no lynch'.

UNVOTE


And the neural alignment of Ovidius is also very strange - Niempie
Supa_Psyche
Pleb
posted 02-01-06 01:03 ET (US)     63 / 219       
Ferret is indeed one of the most aggressive players I know. Over at OD he is the definition of a dominant player. Regardless of whether he is scum or not. The main reason I believe, is that as well as using his brain, he trusts in his gut feelings. Every townie has an internal BS meter, whether you trust in it or not. Ferret trusts deeply in his.

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Supa_Psyche
Pleb
posted 02-01-06 01:11 ET (US)     64 / 219       

Quote:

This randomlynch thing is obviously false. But Im also against a nolynch.

Also, voting for feret because he is for random lynches is a bit hypocritical, I think. Therefore vote Supa_Psyche

Err...what?

I went to random.org, asked it for a random integer between 1 and 11 and the number that came up was 6. Ferret is the sixth player counting down.

It's not hypocritical, I found it ironic.


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VisMaior
Pleb
posted 02-01-06 02:47 ET (US)     65 / 219       
Oh, I see. unvote I have toreread, but im beginning to think Centurion is right were he sais that it will be had for us to catch scum.
Ovidius
Pleb
posted 02-01-06 03:33 ET (US)     66 / 219       

Quote:

im beginning to think Centurion is right were he sais that it will be had for us to catch scum.


Well that's kinda the point... that's what makes mafia a great game.

For lack of a better plan, my favourite, and I am sure most of you know what it is...

LURKER HUNT

With zero posts in a game that's been going for eight days, my nominee is...

VOTE STREET


And the neural alignment of Ovidius is also very strange - Niempie
Niempie
Pleb
posted 02-01-06 06:33 ET (US)     67 / 219       

Quoted from Watchwood:

True Niempie, though there's still the question of who.


For a random lynch a good candidate is always the lurker.

So I will follow Ovidius in his lurker hunt.

Unvote: Watchwood
Vote: street

A player, even if he has a protown role, is no use for the town if he doesn't even post once in a game that has been going on for 8 days.


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VisMaior
Pleb
posted 02-01-06 06:38 ET (US)     68 / 219       
vote Niempie, fos Ovidius prod sh please!
Ovidius
Pleb
posted 02-01-06 07:37 ET (US)     69 / 219       

Quoted from Vis:

vote Niempie, fos Ovidius prod sh please!


Err... ok... Interesting strategy there Vis...

And the neural alignment of Ovidius is also very strange - Niempie
VisMaior
Pleb
posted 02-01-06 07:46 ET (US)     70 / 219       
The point is that he never ever posted, so he is not so much lurking, instead he seems to be completely absent. An easy excuse to jump on him. But I think lurking is only harmful if the person is actually playing, otherwise a prod should do first.
Ovidius
Pleb
posted 02-01-06 09:21 ET (US)     71 / 219       

Quote:

The point is that he never ever posted, so he is not so much lurking, instead he seems to be completely absent. An easy excuse to jump on him. But I think lurking is only harmful if the person is actually playing, otherwise a prod should do first.


Well a vote is a prod. Hobo confirmed, so he knows it's game on. You don't want a no lynch, but you won't accept people's reasons for voting. You jump on people who do want to lynch, you jump on people who want to lynch randomly, you jump on people who want to lynch a specific person... What are you up to?

FOS VIS... if Hobo appears, you're looking an awful good candidate for my vote.


And the neural alignment of Ovidius is also very strange - Niempie
VisMaior
Pleb
posted 02-01-06 09:26 ET (US)     72 / 219       
I want a lynch on a reason. i know, I want too much...
StarKey
Pharaolympics 2000 Competitor
posted 02-01-06 11:38 ET (US)     73 / 219       
Game seems to be moving right along, several good posts since my last visit...excellent.

Returning again to the topic of Debbie (a topic near and dear to my heart) and the question of her perseaved night amunity.


Quoted from theferret:

01-31-06 23:41 ET #61
The reason I believe that you have immunity was that you turned, which caused the bullet to miss - your action stopped the kill, rather than a simple miss by the SK

Quoted from storyline:

A sudden movement behind her caused her to turn.

The miss wasn't due to "an action" on her part, but a "reaction", "A ... movement ... caused her to turn". That's much different than her having some ability to sense a potential thread and then taking some "inherent" evasive action. The question should be, what was the movement... was it the SK himself or was it a second person stalking Debbie, maybe a second shooter from the grassy knoll.

Quote:

A hooded figure ran of into the night.

Was this theferret himself scurrying away or was his missed killshot from such a distance as to avoid detection and the hooded figure running away a second person? The plot thickens and the mystery is there for the "BS meter" to read.

WeaveCaesar
Pleb
posted 02-01-06 12:20 ET (US)     74 / 219       
Official VoteCount

No Lynch 1 (Centurion)
theferret 3 (Supa, Debbie, SK)
Hobo 2 (Ovidius, Niempie)
Niempie 1 (Vis)


Why does everyone think I killed Debbie?
VisMaior
Pleb
posted 02-01-06 13:54 ET (US)     75 / 219       
Hm. Interesting idea. The hooded figure is not necessarily the attacker. Maybe a roleblocker?
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