@vis - Read this:

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Means they're former mafia, who probably know each other, as the SK's are mobsters who lack leaders.

I don't think it sounds like they know each other, I think it's more that they are guaranteed a kill against other SKs... rather than what seems like having a 50/50 chance of killing pro-towners.

Also, it would not be SKs in terms of game mechanics if they could talk. They would be mafia. Mafia with as many kills as there are mafia. I dont think you can balance that...

Ok, this discussion is going nowhere. I also can't believe that after twenty-odd (twenty odd? ) posts, nobody's cast a vote.

I will though... who do I think is most likely to have tried to kill me?

Vote Niempie

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and Weave said at the very beginning that there would be no mafia, only serial killers, which would mean to me no talking amongst them.

Oops, I missed that one.

I also don't think that the SK's can talk to each other, but I do think that the different SK's have different changes to kill certain people.

I have to agree with Ovidius on one point (and that is not the point that he makes about who wants him dead), nobody is voting.

Vote: Watchwood

It is just a feeling that I have at this moment.

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...acquianted with the weaknesses of his former partners...

Doesn't indicate any knowledge of who each of them might be, only knowledge of their tendencies.

Maybe the SK know how many other SK are out there?

I for one propose a no lynch.

Before you point a finger of suspicion at me...here me out:

Given there are 3 SKs, there shuld be about 6 useful town roles at least. We lynch someone today, it will probably be random. That's a 3/11 chance of hitting scum, 2/11 of hitting vanilla townie but > 1/2 chance of removing a useful town role.

Seeming as the SK don't each other...isn't there a chance they might kill each other off? Shouldn't the town for now at least preserve its doctor/cop role? I mean say we did turn on the cop, even his roleclaim won't make us change our minds as there's nothing against a SK claiming cop as he won't shed light on the other scum (ie. the ones who stand by him.)

Until more evidence arises:

Vote No Lynch

As CenturionZ has all but revealed that he is not the doctor/cop; I would feel more comfortable lynching him than any other player in the game ATM.

vote centurionZ for Craplogic^TM

Official VoteCount

Watchwood 1 (Niempie)
Centurion 1 (Vis)
Niempie 1 (Ovidius)
No Lynch 1 (Centurion)

no deadline as yet

[This message has been edited by WeaveCaesar (edited 01-27-2006 @ 08:57 AM).]

Hey, I voted too!

Quoted from CZ:

What a wonderful idea...might be worth contemplating a "no lynch", but I've never liked that option before, however, the mechanics of this game might be such as to consider it. If they truly don't know each other, there is that possibility of killing off one of their own. If that were to happen, it would benefit the town by having lowered the number of nightkills. A dead SK not only benefits the town, it benefits the other SK's, as it eliminates the competition.

Having a willingness to at least discuss this option with an open mind seems pretty harmless, what's suspicious to me is to immediately jump on CZ, simply because in past games a call for a "no lynch" was deemed suspicious.

Again, if they don't know each other, they obviously don't have a voting block to sway a lynch one way or the other, however, any lynch is a good lynch to them because if each of them are individuals, they win as individuals, not as a team and they honestly might not care whether it a townie or another SK.

To do a no lynch would be taking a real chance, but seeing as how we're under no deadline as of yet, there's no hurry IMO to cast a vote.

More discussion on this idea might prove helpfull, instead of immediately poo-pooing it.

Hm, Interesting. Let me think this over. unvote

The idea of no lynch is from my experience in playing SK games at parties.

The problem is that the lynches usually never ever hit the SKs. Given they are a one man mafia...they appear like a townie to everyone else because after all they have no more knowledge than everyone else (they know what they are but no one else). And their goals are exactly the same as the town's, to eliminate the other scum. So if they can keep a straight face, usually there is nothing to be gained from watching vote patterns, group mechanisms etc.

Usually the person people gang up upon is the doctor or cop who doesn't want to reveal he is the doc/cop but wants the town know they're making a bad move. But this just makes them more suspicious.

And so the SKs never seem to get lynched...they tend to bump each other off instead. Random bandwagon lynches hurt the town more than is a normal game.

True, but that's why we generally wait for someone to make a mistake, instead of total randomness.

You'ld be surprised at the effectiveness of random lynches. Over in OD we hit mafia on the first day at a far higher percentage than we should, and it is usually from a random lynch.

I understand the rationale for a no lynch in a game setup like this, and it isn't as bad as in other games. I'd still prefer a lynch for today.

theferret: Really? From the games I've observed, the rnadom lynches hit important town players or just vanilla townies. I remember in the past few mafia games, townies tend to be the ones who were lynched randomly.

Just last game we hit Nat, who was mafia, due to a mostly random lynch. I've gotten moach killed twice due to random lynches, both times he was mafia. Way back in the history of OD when we always killed fett on day one he was mafia once or twice... I've seen plenty of good things happen from a random lynch. And some bad ones, of course, but those were mostly due to poor playing on the part of several townies - they killed the player before he got a chance to claim, and potentially save himself.

Quoted from Watchwood:

Kind of like you just did over in The Bold game...you had Ray dead to rights, then you had to open your pie-hole and now your heads on a pike..ha!

Vote:ferret

How ironic that the person random.org told me to vote for was the on pushing random lynches all along.

This randomlynch thing is obviously false. But Im also against a nolynch.

Also, voting for feret because he is for random lynches is a bit hypocritical, I think. Therefore vote Supa_Psyche

Deadline Friday 12 GMT

If we had to chose between a random lynch or a no lynch I would go for the random lynch. Just because I haven't experienced a no lynch that favoured the town and when there is a random lynch there is still the opportunity to lynch a bad guy.