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VisMaior
Pleb
posted 11-18-05 18:34 ET (US)         
World peace is at a hands reach at last! All you gotta do, is choose a leader for the whole world, and humanity is set! Only the most influental men come into consideration for that. So it comes to be, that the most famous leaders of all time assemble in the most exclusive hotel in existence, to choose one of their ranks to take the honor. Alas, all is not well, as a few megalomaniacs decided, that they would like to eliminate the chance that someone else gets to be world leader. Its up to you to root them out, before they gain control and take over the world! (And not to mention kill you in the process...)

Alive 3/12
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street hobo
Niempie
Supa_Psyche

Dead 9
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Ovidius, hotel manager
WeaveCaesar, hotel detective
Watchwood, Achilles of the greek, slaver
Debbie, Julius Gaius Caesar of the romans, seeking mason
CenturionZ_1, Mao Zedong, leader of the chineese, townie deluxe
DarthBane, Caesar Nero, SK
Nonchalant, Genghis Khan, nation vigilante
Kedi, Richard Lionheart, townie
Sul, Cleopatra, dormant mason

[This message has been edited by VisMaior (edited 01-02-2006 @ 03:10 PM).]

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street hobo
Pleb
posted 12-14-05 19:12 ET (US)     151 / 214       

Quote:

Third, we know that our characters are loosely linked to our roles. For example, watchwood was Achilles, who, although not an actual leader of a state, was a powerful warrior who could 'take over' any other state if that leader happened to die. While I'm not going to reveal my role, my leader character definitely correlates with my role. So if Street Hobo is telling the truth and he is Napoleon, the leader who rampaged across Europe and Northern Africa and even into Russia, his role would be a perfect match for a bloodthirsty mafia. So were you lying, Street Hobo, or were you telling the truth? Either way, it doesn't put you in a good position. Of course, this, again, is circumstancial evidence, and nothing actually solid against Street Hobo, as many other leaders were also bloodthirsty war-mongerers.

OK I'm going to use your own argument against you:

Quote:

many other leaders were also bloodthirsty war-mongerers.

I told the truth and I am not scum.

street hobo
Pleb
posted 12-14-05 19:21 ET (US)     152 / 214       
Third, we know that our characters are loosely linked to our roles. For example, watchwood was Achilles, who, although not an actual leader of a state, was a powerful warrior who could 'take over' any other state if that leader happened to die. While I'm not going to reveal my role, my leader character definitely correlates with my role. So if nonchalant is telling the truth and he is Ghengis Khan, the leader who rampaged across Asian and even into Europe, his role would be a perfect match for a bloodthirsty mafia. So were you lying, nonchalant, or were you telling the truth? Either way, it doesn't put you in a good position. Of course, this, again, is circumstancial evidence, and nothing actually solid against nonchalant, as many other leaders were also bloodthirsty war-mongerers.

lol right back at ya

Sul the Just
Guest
posted 12-15-05 11:33 ET (US)     153 / 214       
Vote: Nonchalant

I don't trust him.


I've got a gun in my hand but that gun won't cock, my finger's on the trigger but that trigger seems locked and I can't stop staring at the tick-tock clock, and even if I could I would never give up. With a vest on my chest and a bullet in my lung, I can't believe I'm dying with my song unsung. So if and when I die won't you bury me alone, because I'll never get to heaven if I'm singing this song. STREETLIGHT MANIFESTO
street hobo
Pleb
posted 12-15-05 11:48 ET (US)     154 / 214       
Hey, wait a minute... how does watchwood have a nation?
Nonchalant
Pleb
posted 12-15-05 14:42 ET (US)     155 / 214       
Street Hobo, you're absolutely right, Genghis Khan was just as bloodthirsty as Napoleon. Therefore, let us say that both our leaders are bloodthirsty tyrants. Would you agree with this?

However, there are townie roles than can kill.

Therefore, my vote stays squarely on you.

street hobo
Pleb
posted 12-15-05 15:24 ET (US)     156 / 214       
Mmm. Crap logic.
street hobo
Pleb
posted 12-15-05 15:25 ET (US)     157 / 214       
Seriously now, is there any "evidence" that you are going to throw at me that can't be directed right back at you?

vote nonchalant

CenturionZ_1
Pleb
posted 12-15-05 16:14 ET (US)     158 / 214       
Guys, don't we need 2/3 vote to lynch Nonchalant as he's leader? I think that's 6 or 7 votes.

If 7 votes:

That means if Nonchalant is scum and has a partner, we can't lynch him.

If 6 votes:

We can just about lynch him even he is scum with one associare.

My proposal: Every vote Nonchalant today and bring the tally up to one less than is required to lynch. Basically whoever doesn't vote for him will probably be scum and trying to save him. Then we can find that person.

If however his partner does the dirty, joins the bandwagon to save his/her own skin then we can easily get the required votes to lynch Nonchalant.

Basically Nonchalant has been very scummy. We're totally in the dark over scum and he comes out with a VERY shaky argument inciting street hobo. Given that's its getting near endgame, I wouldn't be surprised if the Mafia played more aggressively thinking they could get away with pushing a bandwagon and getting another townie lynched. Nonchalant's action have been very suspicious, and given he was scum in Ovi's game and acted almost in the same manner, I suspect him.

Vote Nonchalant

Besides, it'll be interesting to see who doesn't vote Nonchalant.


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Niempie
Pleb
posted 12-15-05 16:40 ET (US)     159 / 214       
I do think that Nonchalant is using crap logic at this moment. If I take a look at the list of all the claimed leaders and countries there are several leaders that could be scum, if you look at the history.

I think that our mod mixed the alignment of the leaders and the history as we know it. So for all I'm saying everyone can be scum.

But at this moment I agree with Centurion that, since the only deaths in this game are pro-town roles, that scum must feel save and are trying to manipulate this game by forcing the rest of us into a lynch.
And who better to do this that our world leader...

Vote: Nonchalant


No one is listening until you make a mistake
street hobo
Pleb
posted 12-15-05 16:53 ET (US)     160 / 214       

Quote:

My proposal: Every vote Nonchalant today and bring the tally up to one less than is required to lynch. Basically whoever doesn't vote for him will probably be scum and trying to save him. Then we can find that person.

If however his partner does the dirty, joins the bandwagon to save his/her own skin then we can easily get the required votes to lynch Nonchalant.

Sorry... run that by me again?

Nonchalant
Pleb
posted 12-15-05 18:57 ET (US)     161 / 214       
Lol, my aggressive playstyle seems to frighten some. I'm prepared to take anything you have to dish out, so do your worse.

In my defense:

Quoted from Niempie:

that scum must feel save and are trying to manipulate this game by forcing the rest of us into a lynch.

Crap logic. Mafia is undoubteldy lying low, since they know the townies have nothing to go on. This isn't professional wrestling, in which when the bad guy has the good guy at his mercy, he walks around the ring and gloats, so that the good guy can get up and beat him up. The town has absolutely nothing against the mafia, so why on earth would the mafia give them a lead to go on? Don't be daft, Niempie, I know you're better than this.

Quoted from Centurion:

Guys, don't we need 2/3 vote to lynch Nonchalant as he's leader? I think that's 6 or 7 votes.

Correct.


Quote:

If 7 votes:

That means if Nonchalant is scum and has a partner, we can't lynch him.

If 6 votes:

We can just about lynch him even he is scum with one associare.

Correct.

Quote:

My proposal: Every vote Nonchalant today and bring the tally up to one less than is required to lynch. Basically whoever doesn't vote for him will probably be scum and trying to save him. Then we can find that person.

Hmmm, well, now that you've just stated your plan, I'm pretty sure my 'mafia associate' will know what you guys are up to and vote for me. Excellent strategy. Really top-notch.

Quote:

If however his partner does the dirty, joins the bandwagon to save his/her own skin then we can easily get the required votes to lynch Nonchalant.

This is correct, but with one mistake. You're assuming I must be scum. Your theory leaves no room for the possibility that I'm not scum.

Quote:

We're totally in the dark over scum and he comes out with a VERY shaky argument inciting street hobo.

I'm confused. You say we are in the dark as to who is scum. Now, when I propose a theory, which I admitted in my post was shaky (In fact, I even gave all the counter-arguments myself!), you say it isn't flawless and therefore it's grounds to believe I am scum. Very solid indeed, I must say.

Quote:

Given that's its getting near endgame, I wouldn't be surprised if the Mafia played more aggressively thinking they could get away with pushing a bandwagon and getting another townie lynched.

Really? Just when the town has absolutely nothing to go on, the mafia are completely safe, and when their strategy of lying low is proving extremely effective (as you said, that's 4 townies dead with no mafia gone) they should, for some inexplicable reason, suddenly change their strategy which was working perfectly to an aggressive one which would put them in the spotlight? Come on now, I know you can do better than that.

Quote:

Nonchalant's action have been very suspicious, and given he was scum in Ovi's game and acted almost in the same manner, I suspect him.

I realize my post has been overly harsh, so now comes the time to praise you. I'll start by praising your memory. It must be awfully accurate to remember every game you've ever played in and how every single player ever acted and then accurately pick out my specific mannerisms and actions in the specific game in which I was mafia. Impressive indeed! Alas, my memory isn't nearly as good as yours. Perhaps you could kindly direct me to this game so I can see for myself?

Second, I must congratulate you on your lynching strategy. It's really a very clever way to dupe the masses and get them to do your bidding, without even knowing why. Basically, your theory allows no room for your target to not be the mafia. Then, you say that whoever doesn't vote for me must be my associate, and therefore mafia. For some reason, this seems familiar....

Ah yes, I remember now! It was used during the French Revolution, in what was called La Terreure! The only way to be safe was to point the finger at another. Therefore, when a target was found, whoever didn't accuse them of treachery (or, in this case, of being mafia) was automatically suspected in being a traitor (mafia) as well!

Excellent, excellent! Truly, this is a tried-and-tested strategy, and I compliment you for using it against me.

You accuse me of trying to manipulate everyone, and of duping people. Because, I admit, this strategy would be one adopted by scum. However, it seems more like you are the one using this strategy. While my theory against Street Hobo was shaky, I openly admitted it at the time and gave counter-arguments. Basically, I allowed people to decide for themselves, because, although I was nominated leader, I'm not here to control people's actions. Rather, I trust in people's good judgment and allow them to choose for themselves.

You, on the other hand, deem it necessary to underhandedly force people to vote for your target. You even conclude your post by saying, and I quote, 'Besides, it'll be interesting to see who doesn't vote Nonchalant.' You clearly insinuated than anyone who didn't would be considered my associate and therefore scum. How very clever of you.

It's interesting to note that Street Hobo, who I accused, and rightfully voted for me, immediately sensed the flaw in your plan, while Niempie went along with it perfectly. Interesting. Who was it again you accused of having an associate?

To conclude, I extend my apologies to Street Hobo. In my eyes, you've proven yourself not to be scum and I trust you without a shade of doubt. I'm glad you didn't buy into the 'whoever doesn't vote for the target must be guilty by association' thing and are using your head. Well done.

Unvote Street Hobo

Centurion, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and only place an FOS on you. Would you care to explain yourself? Why would you adopt such a strategy, which uses people's fear against them and cloud's people thinking? Clearly it isn't beneficial for the town.

DarthBane
Pleb
posted 12-15-05 19:25 ET (US)     162 / 214       
Reading the thread, I have to agree with Nonchalant. Sad as it seems

Although I'm willing to place a vote, so:
Vote: Centurion

I'd like to apologise for my lack of real posting recently, I've been trying to get assignments done before I go home. Also, I'm going to be gone from tomorrow night until the following wednesday or thursday, with no net access whatsoever.

street hobo
Pleb
posted 12-15-05 22:00 ET (US)     163 / 214       
While normally the excessive compliments at the end of your post would actually lead me away from 'forgving' you, centurion has been very eager for a lynch, and seems jumpy to get to night.

But, nonchalant isn't totally cleared in my head, the long post and sudden changes in accusations seem like deperation tactics by scum whose plan had backfired.

I'm not totally clear on this, and I want to hear from centurion, so unvote nonchalant, but no vote on centurion yet...

Supa_Psyche
Pleb
posted 12-15-05 22:31 ET (US)     164 / 214       
Vote: Centurion

I'm inclined to agree with Nonchalant. The main reason being that Centurion's plan is EXTREMELY high-risk if Nonchalant is a townie. And asking everyone to vote for someone ensures that if there are scum on the bandwagon, then they have some protection.

Also, it's a good way to get your scum mates onto a bandwagon without them attracting any attention.


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"ISNT THE RIGHT TO EMULATE POWERUPS FROM SUPER MARIO PROTECTED BY THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTION???" - legion
VisMaior
Pleb
posted 12-16-05 03:32 ET (US)     165 / 214       
Sorry for not beeing clear with the 2/3 issue. With 8 alive, its 5.333. So its 6 to lynch Nonchalant.
street hobo
Pleb
posted 12-16-05 07:50 ET (US)     166 / 214       
Um, a majority of 8 would be 5...

Quote:

Also, it's a good way to get your scum mates onto a bandwagon without them attracting any attention.

Pretty much my thoughts on centurion, but I want him to be able to talk before he's lynched....

CenturionZ_1
Pleb
posted 12-16-05 10:01 ET (US)     167 / 214       
Let me explain my reasoning then:

We all know the scum's best tactic now is to lie now because we have no clue who's scum and who's not and the more they lie low the more townies die. OK.

BUT... eventually we'll target those players who are exactly doing that: lying low.

My reasoning went that one of the best ways for scum to hide was probably to do the exact opposite and start accusing people. Now the problem is in the short term this is going to cast major suspicion over the player (like it has with me) and given the low numbers for a lynch will probably end up with the aggressive player being lynched.

However, I realised Nonchalant required 2/3 majority vote and given a slightly safer lynch buffer I felt he could afford to play more aggressively thinking he'd probably not manage to be lynched because virtually everybody would have to turn against him.

Looking back it seems Non could easily be a townie playing aggressively because his role now allows him to given his safety net. It was just after reading his accusation of street hobo, he seemed very suspicious, even though he admitted it himself.

Still I will back down given I would probably have cast a FOS over myself had I been someone else, as I did do everything Nonchalant did (play aggressively, accuse others etc.) But considering I dn't have the cushion of an extra vote during the day, I would have to be a risk taking scum to doing something like that.

Whatever happens, the scum are probably reading this and laughing as they probably know we've completely missed the mark again. Lynch me and it'll be 6/7 dead townies and goodnight Vienna for the townies.

unvote


CenturionZ_1
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Nonchalant
Pleb
posted 12-16-05 15:28 ET (US)     168 / 214       

Quoted from Darthbane:

Reading the thread, I have to agree with Nonchalant. Sad as it seems

And what exactly do you mean by 'sad as it seems'?

Re Centurion: sorry, not buying it.

Vote: Centurion

Somewhat unrelated, possibly, but you say we'll lose Vienna? Wasn't Hitler born in Austria? Are you Hitler, Centurion?

DarthBane
Pleb
posted 12-16-05 18:20 ET (US)     169 / 214       
By that Non, I mean usually you're scum
Kedi
Pleb
posted 12-16-05 21:59 ET (US)     170 / 214       
Just letting you know, I'll be away from home all weekend so don't expect any posts from me till Monday night. Have fun till then!

Smile!
CenturionZ_1
Pleb
posted 12-17-05 16:00 ET (US)     171 / 214       
Non: Never heard of the phrase Goodnight Vienna?

Quote:

Are you Hitler, Centurion?

And what if I am, you're Genghis Khan!

I'd vote Nonchalant but something worrying tells me he's not scum. Why the heck would he claim Genghis Khan if he's scum and then try and lynch people on historical grounds.

Just don't forget it's Nonchalant here who first came out with the funny logic and historical references.

Basically Nonchalant wants people to believe I'm scum because I thought he was scum and tried to use a high risk strategy to find more scum.

My view now is Nonchalant is like me: not scum, but just a very aggressive townie. He has a scent that someone (me) is scum and is trying to push for the lynch.

Seriously though, I've already said the ones most probably scum are the ones lying low, watching this unfold.

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By the way do you think given the numbers we should have a further role claim. ie. what everyone's powers are?


CenturionZ_1
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Niempie
Pleb
posted 12-18-05 05:23 ET (US)     172 / 214       

Quoted from Non:

while Niempie went along with it perfectly


I didn't agree to the plan Centurion had. I voted for you, because I did agree with his comment about your playing style. Before I did decide to vote for you, I did worry about voting for you just after Centurion's plan.

But as has pointed out several times after that, it would be more logic for scum to stay laying low as what they are probably doing all game.

Unvote: Nonchalant

Quoted from Centurion:

By the way do you think given the numbers we should have a further role claim. ie. what everyone's powers are?


Hmm I not sure if that is a good idea right now. Why would we give scum even more to go on? As far as we know there still could be a power town role (i.e. a doc) and I think that it is in our best interest to have the power town roles in this game as long as possible.

No one is listening until you make a mistake
CenturionZ_1
Pleb
posted 12-18-05 08:01 ET (US)     173 / 214       
Hmm, maybe.

It's just we know someone has lied about their historical role in this game and we need to find out who.

At the moment we are looking for whoever is Nero.


CenturionZ_1
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street hobo
Pleb
posted 12-18-05 09:00 ET (US)     174 / 214       
You avoided the question, centurion, are you hitler?

Now if you just claimed hilter originally, I wouldn't have thought you to be scum... but lying about your role to the town is very scummy. Remember, lynch all liars!

street hobo
Pleb
posted 12-18-05 09:01 ET (US)     175 / 214       
ah hell, vote centurion
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