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VisMaior
Pleb
posted 11-18-05 18:34 ET (US)         
World peace is at a hands reach at last! All you gotta do, is choose a leader for the whole world, and humanity is set! Only the most influental men come into consideration for that. So it comes to be, that the most famous leaders of all time assemble in the most exclusive hotel in existence, to choose one of their ranks to take the honor. Alas, all is not well, as a few megalomaniacs decided, that they would like to eliminate the chance that someone else gets to be world leader. Its up to you to root them out, before they gain control and take over the world! (And not to mention kill you in the process...)

Alive 3/12
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street hobo
Niempie
Supa_Psyche

Dead 9
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Ovidius, hotel manager
WeaveCaesar, hotel detective
Watchwood, Achilles of the greek, slaver
Debbie, Julius Gaius Caesar of the romans, seeking mason
CenturionZ_1, Mao Zedong, leader of the chineese, townie deluxe
DarthBane, Caesar Nero, SK
Nonchalant, Genghis Khan, nation vigilante
Kedi, Richard Lionheart, townie
Sul, Cleopatra, dormant mason

[This message has been edited by VisMaior (edited 01-02-2006 @ 03:10 PM).]

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VisMaior
Pleb
posted 11-18-05 18:35 ET (US)     1 / 214       
Rules:

1. bold your votes, a majority of votes result in a lynch, no unvoting helps after that.
2. unvote =unnecessary, but you can if you want to
3. you may voye no lynch
4. treat posts as you would like to be treated (dont delete or edit them, lest you dont mind being deleted or edited yourself)
5. deadlines are there to make dead, as in, by a deadline the guy with the most votes bites the dust, unless I decide otherwise (eg. less than 1/4th of votes result in nolynch)
6. I dare you to quote my emails! (Do that and be modkilled)
7. Modkilling might end the day or not, at my own discretion
8. If you died, you may refrain from posting anything further. If you decide not to, you may post 1 extra post of "BAH, Go whomever", or something along that line. (Also see special rules)
9. Dont discuss the game outside of the thread unless your role specifies otherwise. If you talk outside of the thread, include my email as well.
10. If you have questions, ask me.
11. If you anticipate to be offline for more than 48 hours, please say so in the thread.
12. have fun, and treat this game as a commitment. (Its not like it needs too much time anyway.)

[This message has been edited by VisMaior (edited 11-18-2005 @ 07:55 PM).]

VisMaior
Pleb
posted 11-18-05 18:39 ET (US)     2 / 214       
Special rules:

Everyone controls a nation. Should you bite the dust, you may designate a follower in your only post next day. That player gains control over your nation. Be warned: if evil controls more than 1/2 of all nations, they take over the world by sheer force!

The game begins with day 1. (Sorry)

Always check your email before you post your last post!

You gathered here for the sole reason to chose a world leader. Do it now!

All nominations should be in the form: nominate: thatotherguythatisnotmeunlessIhave2nominationsalready
You may not nominate yourself, unless 2 others are nominating you already.

The world leader will recieve a small boon. Chose carefully!

Twilight will come if the world leader has been chosen by simple majority.

[This message has been edited by VisMaior (edited 11-25-2005 @ 12:27 PM).]

Nonchalant
Pleb
posted 11-21-05 14:46 ET (US)     3 / 214       
Ok, let the game begin!

Random vote: ummm... Ovidius, I guess.

That aside, I'm slightly confused over assigning your nation's control to another player. Does this mean that if you're a cop or a doc or whatever, that person gets your cop/doc/whatever powers?

WeaveCaesar
Pleb
posted 11-21-05 15:26 ET (US)     4 / 214       
vote Sul

I doubt it. The way I understand it is all 12 players have a nation which when they die, they allocate to another player. If the bad guys get more than 6 of these nations then they win, regardless of whether there is one mafia and 4 townies left, for instance.

If this is indeed the case, I hope it's not made obvious who is scum at the death scene otherwise, it is nie on impossible for scum to win, which sort of obviates the game. It will also be interesting to see whether the scum have been given "evil" nations such as the "axis of evil" or whether they have been assigned nations such as New Zealand. I guess that the latter would suggest nations wont be revealed at death scene while the latter means they will.

Anyone want to throw a massive spanner into my works somehow? Please do...it's the only way I'll learn.


Why does everyone think I killed Debbie?
CenturionZ_1
Pleb
posted 11-21-05 16:28 ET (US)     5 / 214       
Still don't like this business of random voting...seems to me the first lynch is utterly by chance.

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Debbie
Pleb
posted 11-21-05 16:57 ET (US)     6 / 214       
but do we have to allocate to another player? What if when I die I don't want anybody to take over my nation?

Quote:

I hope it's not made obvious who is scum at the death scene otherwise, it is nie on impossible for scum to win, which sort of obviates the game. It will also be interesting to see whether the scum have been given "evil" nations such as the "axis of evil" or whether they have been assigned nations such as New Zealand.

I can guess my nation because of my name, but I was not told what it was. I am assuming that everybody is a "world leader" and I would hope that it is not obvious who is scum and who is not just by their nations or their names. (so if somebody claims "Hitler" they aren't automaotically assumed to be evil) no, I am not Hitler

random vote: CenturionZ_1


Why do I always get blamed when Weave shows up dead?
DarthBane
Pleb
posted 11-21-05 17:49 ET (US)     7 / 214       
The first lynch is by chance unless somebody makes a mistake.

I could imagine that, if you don't allocate your country, that it will be done for you... most likely taken by force by the bad guys. Either that, or it's random.

WatchWood
Pleb
posted 11-21-05 19:12 ET (US)     8 / 214       
So that puts the death default allocation theories at random, none, and to bad guys. Random would be to benefit of town, none to no benifit, and bad guys to an obviously bad benifit. While it is probably better off for a dead person to keep quiet with those odds, they are even enough that it is concievable to gamble on someone based on day one actions.

Though what I'd like to know is if the control of a dea person's nation also means the control of the dead person's vote.



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Ovidius
Pleb
posted 11-22-05 02:27 ET (US)     9 / 214       

Quoted from Debbie:

What if when I die I don't want anybody to take over my nation?


If that's the rule, I don't think it matters whether we want to or not.

I was going to start off with a vote for Nonchalant for his tardiness, but now that he's voted for me it'll look like pettiness.

Quoted from Watchwood:

Though what I'd like to know is if the control of a dea person's nation also means the control of the dead person's vote.


I doubt it. To me it seems like just a second possible way for scum to win the game... a really interesting twist.

And the neural alignment of Ovidius is also very strange - Niempie
Kedi
Pleb
posted 11-22-05 02:54 ET (US)     10 / 214       
Random Vote - Nonchalant
Cos his/her name isn't bolded in the header post.

To make it less random, would anyone like to declare their country? I'm assuming, as it's the greatest leaders we are selecting from, that it's not necessarily confined to modern day leaders, and so a country that is now 'evil' may at some time have been good and vice versa. Comments?


Smile!
Supa_Psyche
Pleb
posted 11-22-05 03:21 ET (US)     11 / 214       
I think it's entirely possible that the names have been type cast. For example, "Sweden" could be the doctor or something, but I'm not sure.

That's all I have to add, but everything else seems pretty solid.

Vote:Kedi for being a filthy Queenslander.


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VisMaior
Pleb
posted 11-22-05 04:29 ET (US)     12 / 214       

Quote:

Does this mean that if you're a cop or a doc or whatever, that person gets your cop/doc/whatever powers?

No. Powers and vote dies with the player.

Quote:

What if when I die I don't want anybody to take over my nation?

You have to. Its the rule.

Scum does not have to allocate his nation. I reassign dead scum nations by myself, making sure that power control does not slip.

Ovidius
Pleb
posted 11-22-05 04:44 ET (US)     13 / 214       
Do we find out who the country has been assigned to when someone dies? If so, then how do you protect the scum from being exposed when you allocate the country of dead scum. If not, at some point someone will die and have more than one country. Do they allocate the countries as a bloc, or do the allocate them one by one?

And the neural alignment of Ovidius is also very strange - Niempie
VisMaior
Pleb
posted 11-22-05 04:48 ET (US)     14 / 214       

Quote:

Do we find out who the country has been assigned to when someone dies?

Yes, except if scum dies.

Quote:

If so, then how do you protect the scum from being exposed when you allocate the country of dead scum.

I do it in secrecy.

Quote:

If not, at some point someone will die and have more than one country.


The poit of it really.

Quote:

Do they allocate the countries as a bloc, or do the allocate them one by one?


As a block. Yopu designate a single followup player. Be careful who you chose!

Ovidius
Pleb
posted 11-22-05 06:00 ET (US)     15 / 214       
Ok, that clears my concerns up.

Quoted from Vis:

Should you bite the dust, you may designate a follower in your only post next day.


So then scum know who got the country... and that person'd probably be the best bet for a protection (to stop two countries going up for grabs) ... So would the optimal strategy be for cop to clear someone on day 2 (hopefully), before the lynched and nightkilled players (assuming they're protown) assign their countries on day 2. They'd then assign the countries to the cleared player, and the doc should protect the cleared player from then on. Scum would be forced to hunt for the doc, while the cop clears more players, to whom dying players can pass control of their countries...

Have I missed something? I'd almost suggest no-lynch so we can get to night and find a safe person to whom to begin assigning control of our countries when we die... A night-killed person is one less protown vote, but at least we'd have either a safe leader to assign our countries to, or scum to lynch... but if I did formally make that suggestion, I'd be voted for because advocating a no-lynch is supposed to be scummy... so I won't make it, formally anyway!


And the neural alignment of Ovidius is also very strange - Niempie
Kedi
Pleb
posted 11-22-05 08:18 ET (US)     16 / 214       
Unvote Nonchalant whose name is now bolded and
Vote Supa_Psyche for calling me a Queenslander. I happen to be a Victorian Personal and vindictive, I know, but I haven't really got anything else to go on. Is it bad form to claim so early? Is that a scummy thing to do? Cos as Ovidius said, it's either a no-lynch situation or a random lynch unless somebody stirs things up a bit, right?

Smile!
Ovidius
Pleb
posted 11-22-05 08:58 ET (US)     17 / 214       

Quoted from Kedi:

Personal and vindictive, I know


You've learnt quickly!!

Quoted from Kedi:

Is it bad form to claim so early?


For a moment I thought I may have missed something... but if you mean you're thinking of claiming, remember, you may not be believed (irrespective of whether you're telling the truth or lying).

And the neural alignment of Ovidius is also very strange - Niempie
Ovidius
Pleb
posted 11-22-05 09:06 ET (US)     18 / 214       
Sorry for the double post, but my minds seems to be on vacation... either that or I've had a mental power failure! I meant to say about the claiming: IMO you can not say that it's bad form to claim early just because it's early. I think it has more to do with what your plan is, what the objective of claiming is. For example, claiming cop or doc out of the blue on a game-opening day 1 is probably not too clever... although if you have a valid plan behind doing so, then it's fine. Claiming townie with some verifiable information so that other townies can recognise you on day one has been used with great effect before.

And the neural alignment of Ovidius is also very strange - Niempie
Debbie
Pleb
posted 11-22-05 09:52 ET (US)     19 / 214       

Quote:

Quote:

Do we find out who the country has been assigned to when someone dies?

Quote:

Yes, except if scum dies.


so we'll know when scum dies. To be fair, I think all the country transfers should be secret.


Why do I always get blamed when Weave shows up dead?
VisMaior
Pleb
posted 11-22-05 10:15 ET (US)     20 / 214       
What is wrong with revealing scum on death?
Nonchalant
Pleb
posted 11-22-05 10:21 ET (US)     21 / 214       
But we always know either way when scum dies. As soon as someone is lynch or night-killed, their role becomes known to everyone either way. If I'm getting this right, I don't think it'll make a difference whether the person assigns his nation himself (aka he is non-scum) or if the mod does it for him (in which case he is scum), since we'll have found out their role as soon as they're killed anyway.
VisMaior
Pleb
posted 11-22-05 10:32 ET (US)     22 / 214       
I cant explain this any further without giving up too much info. The assignment post is always NEXT DAY(even for lynched characters!) Always CHECK YOUR EMAIL FOR ANY MESSAGES FROM ME before you post that last post!
WeaveCaesar
Pleb
posted 11-22-05 12:41 ET (US)     23 / 214       
Look, let's just all drop the issue. We all know what we have to do and when as regards the nations. Now let's get back to the game!

Ummm...I dont think I have much to add. Ovidius' plan seems to have merit, but from past experience, nobody ever seems to want to no lynch. I dont know why? I've never been convinced of its scumminess. Last game I was forced to claim (doc) and someone else was also forced to claim cop on day 1 because people got pressured by random lynchs.

Anyone want to put up reasons for a random lynch?


Why does everyone think I killed Debbie?
Niempie
Pleb
posted 11-22-05 13:01 ET (US)     24 / 214       
I'm not sure what the best strategy is for this game.
I do know that it is a very different game than all the others I've played in.
I have to give the suggestions some thought.

And for some (probably stupid) reason I'm unable to visit this site while at work. It started last week, haven't had problems before.. So I only can post in the evenings and on weekends.


No one is listening until you make a mistake
Debbie
Pleb
posted 11-22-05 17:21 ET (US)     25 / 214       
Niempie: email yourself a link (works for me)

Why do I always get blamed when Weave shows up dead?
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