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WinterPharaoh
Pleb
posted 12-14-04 08:32 ET (US)         
A contest with a difference...
The 3x100 relay!!

"Pharaoh Nebka is gravely concerned. While his enormous tomb at his capital Menat Khufu continues to proceed, the unfortunate death of his chief vizier, who had been directing the supply of resources to this massive project, has meant that the flow of stone and wood to the immense and sprawling construction site is drying up.
"At the same time, Pharaoh is alarmed by the reports that the Libyans are redoubling their attacks on the caravans from the African interior, which supply Egypt with much of her luxury goods.
"Pharaoh has decreed that the Libyans must be crushed, and crushed with all possible speed. To this end, he wishes you to establish a colony at Selima Oasis, where your army can both safeguard the African trade routes and support the advance of Nebka's foremost general, Marsenant, as he advances up the Nile towards Nekhen and beyond. Although Selima Oasis has sparse natural resources of its own, the few that it does feature are exactly what Pharaoh needs.
"Pharaoh's plan is simple. You will serve as a forward supply post for Marsenant's forces as they advance up the Nile towards Nekhen, Abu and Dunqul Oasis. Marsenant has the authority of the Pharaoh to requisition all the military resources he needs from you, be they soldiers, weapons or other martial supplies. At the same time, you will support and protect the precious caravan routes into Egypt from Iken and Pwenet.
"This will be a difficult mission. But Pharaoh also has one last task for you. Pharaoh has decreed that Marsenant should receive a mudbrick pyramid of his own as a tomb, an honour almost unheard of for one outside the royal family. Pharaoh requires that you construct this tomb for him, that Marsenant might spend his eternal sleep close to the battlefields where he is winning the greatest victories of his career. While Pharaoh knows that such an undertaking will be hugely difficult in an area without any local supplies of clay, he will endeavour to send you as much support as possible without drawing undue attention to the new construction project.
Pharaoh knows that this will not be an easy mission. But he has the greatest confidence in you. Do not fail him."

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Ok, I don't know how many of you read the (now removed) post I wrote in this thread but if you did, you must by now have twigged to what this post is about. For those of you who didn't read the above thread before the important bit was deleted, here's the catch:

This contest will not start in the usual way. Each player who wishes to participate will have to register first, and then on the first day of the competition each player will receive the save game file by e-mail. This is important as each save file will have to have a unique ID number (more on that later). The contestants will obviously build the city in the usual way, for ten years, until they receive a December save notice for marble rather than sandstone. At this point, they save their final game, and send the file back in to the organiser.

This is the point at which it gets radically different from most contests. Each map will be briefly checked to ensure that no cheating has occurred, and then the maps will be redistributed to totally different people! In this way, each player will then receive, by e-mail, a save game file which has the basis of a city built by a different player. They will then be required to build upon the city they are given, trying to work with what they have been given by the previous player.

All in all this event is designed to test the contestant's ability to think on their feet, build a working city with a low level of initial planning and incorporate the work of people with totally different mindsets into their own city. It will not be possible for a player to simply demolish the work of the contestant who played the map before them, since restarting a city a third of the way through the event would put the player out of the contest.

Scoring will be slightly complicated, but not ridiculously so. Players will be marked in teams - if one map is given a score of 100, each of the players who worked on that map will be given 100 points. However, since over the course of the three rounds the player will have worked on three different maps, each contestant would receive three marks for his/her three maps. Adding these scores together would give the final score for each player. This is much easier than trying to grade the player's individual contribution to a map, which would me messy and subjective. Marking them this way also removes any incentive for gamesmanship - it's in the player's own best interest to make it as easy as possible for the player who succeeds them. Minimizing the opportunity for collaboration between players (such as ensuring that no one knows which city is which, hence the ID number rather than "WinterPharaoh's entry") will also help minimize the opportunity for cheating.

While the possibility exists for cities to get lost/misdirected/etc, the chance is no greater than when sending out normal contest maps, and since the whole purpose of the contest is that the maps are supposed to go to different places, it makes it much easier to correct any mistakes!

The contest will obviously be run in three segments, and will probably take place during February/early March, for those of you who might be interested.

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So there you have it. While this is by no means the 'official' registration, I would be most obliged if anyone who would be interested in participating, and available during the time above, would make a reply to that effect. I'm just gauging public opinion/support at the moment. If the general consensus is against a relay-style event, it could be run as a normal contest, with each contestant playing the full 30 years; but I believe that much more enjoyment would be had by everyone if we press on with the relay plan. Comments and opinions welcome, and if you would be interested in participating, please do say so ASAP. Thank you.


"You're just jealous because the little voices talk to me!" - Sara Rain Morgan

[This message has been edited by WinterPharaoh (edited 02-03-2005 @ 08:41 AM).]

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Guzzardo23
Pleb
posted 12-27-04 18:41 ET (US)     26 / 135       

Quoted from WinterPharaoh's first post:

The contest will obviously be run in three segments, and will probably take place during February/early March, for those of you who might be interested.


I hope that answers your question, Gteat Cornholio.

[This message has been edited by Guzzardo23 (edited 12-27-2004 @ 06:42 PM).]

Merepatra
HG Alumnus
posted 12-27-04 19:28 ET (US)     27 / 135       
My Pharaoh skills are sadly out of practice but I never could resist a contest. So I'll enter.
Clifford
Pleb
posted 12-28-04 15:32 ET (US)     28 / 135       
Wow, now I feel way out of my comfort zone. This is already one of the great collection of Pharoah players ever.

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Look who's here already.

Guzzardo23
Pleb
posted 12-28-04 16:45 ET (US)     29 / 135       

Quote:

This is already one of the great collection of Pharoah players ever.

You say that for me?
*sees Merepatra's name*
*feels truly sad*
WinterPharaoh
Pleb
posted 12-29-04 04:26 ET (US)     30 / 135       
And then the Lord WinterPharaoh said, "let the contest be divided into two halves, one for experts and one for novices..."

Could I have some indication of who would enter the "expert" category and who would be in the "novice" category. I need at least three people in each section to make this work.


"You're just jealous because the little voices talk to me!" - Sara Rain Morgan
Merepatra
HG Alumnus
posted 12-29-04 04:45 ET (US)     31 / 135       
I guess I would be in the expert category, though I have played very little Pharaoh in the past couple of years so I just hope I won't embarass myself. Hopefully its like riding a bike and you never really forget
Gteat Cornholio
Pleb
posted 12-29-04 09:33 ET (US)     32 / 135       
I've won 3 contests as a novice so like it or not I will play expert.
Guzzardo23
Pleb
posted 12-29-04 10:29 ET (US)     33 / 135       
Well, WinterPharaoh, as far as I know, ten of us have asked for a noice category:

Kedi, Rosenetka, StarKey, Iceman413?, DillonBlake, Rayotep, Clifford, Scipio, Cazy_1, And Guzzardo23.


Apart from those, the other, err... *counts the other contestans* Six contestants are:

Great Cornholio, NeeuQ fo Dab, Henrium, Elf, hogboy and Merepatra.

[Edit]From now on I will upgrade this post with the contestants.

[This message has been edited by Guzzardo23 (edited 01-06-2005 @ 09:37 PM).]

StarKey
Pharaolympics 2000 Competitor
posted 12-29-04 13:40 ET (US)     34 / 135       
I'll sign up for the novice category. Count me in.
Clifford
Pleb
posted 12-29-04 16:51 ET (US)     35 / 135       
Even though I don't feel like one, I guess I had better be in expert, but I am a long way behind some of the names listed here.
Happy now Ray?
Rayotep
Pleb
posted 12-29-04 20:52 ET (US)     36 / 135       
Yes, Cliff, I'm happy. You're where you belong. With the experts. I, however, feel in a bit of a conundrum. I don't feel like a novice but I don't feel like I'm even in the same stratosphere as some of the great players who have signed up. But I wouldn't dream of giving WinterPharaoh a heart attack and ask if we should have an intermediary level.
Iceman413
Pleb
posted 12-31-04 00:25 ET (US)     37 / 135       
I'd like to sign up for this contest as well. It sounds intriguing, but with the caliber of the other contestants on this one I feel just a touch intimidated!! I better stick to my novice level..lol
Clifford
Pleb
posted 12-31-04 03:29 ET (US)     38 / 135       
LOL, Iceman is the current world novice cleopatra champion. The calibre of this contest grows every day.

I presume that if we have 15 (for example) players then you will send us all a map and we will all play the first ten years. Then we all send them back to you and you resend us a new map that we play the second ten years and send them back to you. Then we get another map that we haven't played on before and get to play the third ten years. So we are all playing the first ten years at the same time and the second ten years etc. Then the maps are all judged and our scores for the three we worked on are added together and the winner is the person that played on the three highest scoring maps.
Is this right or do I have things wrong somwehere?
I thought that you could make a number on each map with small rocks or something so that we could know we worked on maps 3,7 and 13 for example. Looking forward to it.

Iceman413
Pleb
posted 12-31-04 11:54 ET (US)     39 / 135       
Clifford, that's because I was the only one to try the Beauty contest in the Impressions Cup. It's amazing how your ranking climbs when you win be default..lol.
DillonBlake
Pleb
posted 12-31-04 12:46 ET (US)     40 / 135       
I'm intrigued. Count me in. I'm still easy, of course. And no lewd comments Clifford.....
Guzzardo23
Pleb
posted 12-31-04 13:07 ET (US)     41 / 135       
Clifford, WinterPharaoh don't want us to know with which people's maps we've been playing, but he will somehow know.
Guzzardo23
Pleb
posted 12-31-04 13:07 ET (US)     42 / 135       
BTW, is Iceman413 novice or expert?
Clifford
Pleb
posted 12-31-04 15:33 ET (US)     43 / 135       
DB, you know me better than that! Great to see you here too. I hope Kach can make it too and there are still many other good players out there.

Iceman is one of the best although if I had managed an entry for the beauty contest it might have been a little closer for the title. But its entering that makes a champion so don't put yourself down Iceman, you deserve the title. Rankings at the top from the recent world championships. So you can see that I finished 3rd and 5th in the novice sections , Iceman finished 1st and 2nd, DB finished 3rd= and 4th. So I think Iceman could be called an expert if I am regarded as one, but of course thats his call. DB, you beat me in Pharoah but of course you want to be easy.

Now that you see the rankings , Ray can you see why I wanted to play as a novice.

RankPharaoh Easyscore#entries
1Kach.................34.......3
2Iceman413.......25.......3
3=Dillon Blake....21.......3
3=Cazy..............21.......2
5Ceasar Clifford.17.......3


RankCleopatra Easyscore#entries
1Iceman413.......31.......3
2Socbac.............29.......3
3Ceasar Clifford.27.......3
4Dillon Blake......19.......3

Rayotep
Pleb
posted 12-31-04 16:49 ET (US)     44 / 135       
You might be right, Cliff. Well, if you're in the easy section then I definitely am in the easy section.
Scipio
Pleb
posted 01-01-05 09:37 ET (US)     45 / 135       
Has this thing started yet? If not then I would like to climb on board. Im still not sure if I would be expert or novice, probably novice.

Pharaoh Cup 2001 Competitor
Guzzardo23
Pleb
posted 01-01-05 12:29 ET (US)     46 / 135       
Why are all the people lowering their level?
I can say I am a novice, because I have NEVER played in a contest. But the others? First and seconds of their level!
kach
Angel
posted 01-01-05 19:33 ET (US)     47 / 135       
I'll be away or busy with RL from the end of January until mid March. So I'll miss this one.
Clifford
Pleb
posted 01-01-05 22:20 ET (US)     48 / 135       
Thats sad because you are one of the best players but enjoy your break.
Cazy_1
Pleb
posted 01-04-05 06:21 ET (US)     49 / 135       
I couldn't find my really old password, so I registered a new account (added _1 to my name).

I want to participate in the easy competition.

You were wondering why people prefer to register on easy. It's enough to see Elf or Henrium in the hard league... This being a interactive contest, it's important what legacy you leave for the others. What city can I leave for them so they won't curse me in the end?...

hogboy
Pleb
posted 01-04-05 16:15 ET (US)     50 / 135       

After several months absence from gaming, I've recently taken up advancing my Pharoah career (still old period!), and I'm curious to see how this three part design will work out.

I've had some wins at CBC (as Dufistus), so will join as "expert".


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