zeus8923
Pleb
posted 03-12-10 02:26 ET (US)
I know you all are going to rip me up for this so here it goes. I Just got done reading the Code of Conduct for this site and I saw this:
"You may not encourage, post in support of, link to, or discuss activities, methods, and/or techniques involving piracy, cracks, multiplayer hacks, keys and key-generators. In addition, the following are grounds for moderator action on your post and/or account:
Seeking help to create cracks, multiplayer hacks and key-generators
Seeking missing files that are supplied with installation CD(s)
Admitting to possess pirated materials, cracks, multiplayer hacks and key-generators
Admitting to distribute pirated materials, cracks, multiplayer hacks, keys and key-generators
Admitting to the use of cracks, multiplayer hacks and key-generators
Uploading any such files to HeavenGames sites
Generally breaking this rule will result in an instant permanent ban. However you may be given a warning for a first offence if, in our opinion, you are a new forumer who doesn’t understand why this is such a strict rule – this will be explained to you; any subsequent offences will result in a permanent ban."
Well I am a new forumer who doesn't understand why this is such a strict rule, so can someone explain this to me and can we possibly debate about this issue?
zeus8923
Pleb
posted 03-12-10 17:55
ET (US)
2 / 57
Really? No comment? You can't even defend why the site doesn't allow anyone to discuss or provide support for pirated games?
zeus8923
Pleb
posted 03-12-10 22:24
ET (US)
4 / 57
I understand your issues with pirated games, but to not give someone tech support or game advice for a game they downloaded illegally seems kind of unfair to me. I mean yes it is stealing, but its not like the people downloading games make that big of a dent in the production companies wallets. Did illegal downloads cause Sierra to fall apart and Impressions Games to shutdown? I think not. I mean, its not like everyone or even half the people for that matter who play games such as the city builder series games have downloaded them illegally. I just think the issue of piracy needs to be re-examined. I find your comment about defending thieves interesting though, as I look at the above topic "Dutch Date XVI" and I read a post about someone exchanging and trading drivers licenses. I know that can't be legal (felony I believe to have someones license that isn't your own in some states) but no one says a thing about that.
Prefect Marty
Pleb
posted 03-13-10 03:48
ET (US)
6 / 57
Well zeus, programming is very hard work. one mistake, and that mistake can be very hard to dedect, for example one /,can ruin an entire programm. So those who are so kind and make some great games for you deserve to be paid for it, don´t they?
zeus8923
Pleb
posted 03-13-10 21:25
ET (US)
7 / 57
TuShaWuJin,
The way I read the post it seemed to me like the person was just trading and exchanging for other peoples licences, but I could be wrong.
Prefect Marty ,
I believe that programmers should be paid, I'm not against that. The way I look at the subject parallels how the music industry and artists view piracy. Do you think its really that big of a deal if I download some songs for free? Does that really prevent some artist from getting a gold plated shark tank bar installed next to their pool or does it really force them to downgrade to the gulf stream jet 3 series which doesn't even have a remote control for its surround sound dvd player? Likewise, because a game is torrented from a site, do you think its going to impact the developers sales that much? I mean, before the internet all you had to do was give your game to your friends and they could play it, and then with cd burners you could copy the discs. I don't know I just feel like the issue of piracy is blown up a little to much. I mean, if you even admit to having downloaded pirated a game the rules say you should be banned. Seems a little harsh to me.
zeus8923
Pleb
posted 03-14-10 18:51
ET (US)
10 / 57
GillB,
I doubt this site would get shut down if people admit to having illegally downloaded games. Take youtube for example, I'm sure there are hundreds if not thousands of videos of people admitting to have engaged in illegal behaviors (drugs, theft, and the whatnot) and that site seems to be doing just fine so I think your first point seems a little absurd.
As for your comment about multi-million dollar rock stars, I didn't say the programmers were the ones who made all the money, I am referring to the companies (EA for example). I understand that sales matter but I do not think the overall amount of piracy is going to affect those developers jobs. I can see your point about no stability in the industry, but thats just the nature of a lot of industries, especially in sales.
And as for theft issue I guess I just look at it differently than a lot of you on here. I find the morality argument to be very weak on this issue, as the issue of morals and morality is not a clear cut issue. I mean, if I see a 20 dollar bill on the ground and there is no one around then I'm going to take it, and I would assume most of the people on this site would and I guess thats technically theft. Thats why I just don't see how something like torrenting is that bad. The game is already out there so if someone wants to take it, then so be it. Now I have never torrented anything and I have bought all the games I have such as the city builder games. But if someone were to tell me that they torrented a game I wouldn't hold that against them.
ES_tonian
Pleb
posted 03-14-10 19:58
ET (US)
11 / 57
Hope you won't ban be for my opinion.
Pirating is legally wrong but morally right. File exchange is technological progress. You can't stop it. It's the future. It's like if 100 years ago people would start banning and outlawing cars, because those who make business out of horses would lose their business. This is ridiculous.
New ways in gaming industry emerge, new games: WoW, Counter Strike, Starcraft, Diablo, Cities XL, etc. where multiplayer gameplay becomes central. Multiplayer access you can control, unlike downloading of pirate copy.
New ways of playing emerge while old -- phase out.
ES_tonian
Pleb
posted 03-15-10 14:52
ET (US)
16 / 57
I am not so bad lol. I buy games I like out of principe and for collection purposes, including Caesar III and Caesar IV. I like this site, like it's very helpful people and respect it.
I just shared my libertarian ideas. Want to know my ontological perception please consider Rousseau, Friedman, Schumpeter and Spenser.
I don't think it is morally right to let record companies and big fat microsoft to pocket millions without any innovation by simply banning technological progress. It won't last long because it hinders human liberty, liberty to choose.
As for Caesar series please buy it, game is great, I want more!
kenai
Pleb
posted 08-10-10 15:20
ET (US)
24 / 57
@ above poster
you're right, its not illegal to recreate a nice looking car. After all, that means you made it.
But all that really proves is that it wouldn't be illegal for you to make a game similar to Caesar. Make, not steal. Slight difference.