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zeus8923
Pleb
posted 03-12-10 02:26 ET (US)         
I know you all are going to rip me up for this so here it goes. I Just got done reading the Code of Conduct for this site and I saw this:


"You may not encourage, post in support of, link to, or discuss activities, methods, and/or techniques involving piracy, cracks, multiplayer hacks, keys and key-generators. In addition, the following are grounds for moderator action on your post and/or account:

Seeking help to create cracks, multiplayer hacks and key-generators
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Uploading any such files to HeavenGames sites

Generally breaking this rule will result in an instant permanent ban. However you may be given a warning for a first offence if, in our opinion, you are a new forumer who doesn’t understand why this is such a strict rule – this will be explained to you; any subsequent offences will result in a permanent ban."


Well I am a new forumer who doesn't understand why this is such a strict rule, so can someone explain this to me and can we possibly debate about this issue?
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CycloneGU
Pleb
posted 07-07-11 23:38 ET (US)     51 / 57       
c ) A proper law must be: No more support, no more copyright...
Let me define "copyright" for you.

copyright - the exclusive right to make copies, license, and otherwise exploit a literary, musical, or artistic work, whether printed, audio, video, etc.: works granted such right by law on or after January 1, 1978, are protected for the lifetime of the author or creator and for a period of 50 years after his or her death. (care of dictionary.com)

From Wikipedia: "A copyright is a set of exclusive rights granted by a state to the creator of an original work or their assignee for a limited period of time in exchange for public disclosure of the work. This includes the right to copy, distribute and adapt the work."

So let me get this straight. If a company no longer supports a game after 5 years (random figure) because it's an old game and they are using their resources to support newer games, they are therefore not permitted to maintain their copyright? That's like saying that a bookstore no longer sells a Tom Clancy novel, and therefore it is allowed for you to post the entire novel on a Web site for anyone interested in reading the book that they can no longer purchase. Do you not see how that would be wrong to steal copyright like that using unavailability or lack of support as a reason?

Just to stress that the only time I've used any type of pirated product is when I have already purchased the product, but either the CD doesn't work any longer (things happen) or a CD is lost in storage somewhere. For instance, I legally own Emperor: Rise of the Middle Kingdom and Zeus+Poseidon. I do not legally own Pharaoh/Cleopatra or Caesar III, though a long time ago a friend gave me a copy of those which I can only assume she legally owns (I'm not saying it's right, and I don't play them now either; Zeus and Emperor are better games IMO, and believe it or not, playing those older games first actually got me to later buy Z/P and Emperor, so there you go, it goes full circle). I recently realized I have my Age of Mythology Titans disc, and Disc 2 of the original game, but lent Disc 1 to a cousin to try the game (having already installed it, I kept Disc 2) but never got it back - goodness knows what he did with it - so I found a copy of that. I own many other games that are not pirated (Age of Empires II and III in fact, plus expansions; don't think I have the first). In general, I do not support piracy of games; at the same time, I don't intend to buy a second copy of a game that is no longer supported by a company. I'll always buy it the first time, even if it's seven years old or more. It's the right thing to do. If something goes wrong, I'm not going to buy a new copy every time. That's just an excuse for a company (and not necessarily the owner of the copyright) to make extra money off of the same purchase multiple times, and I don't support that.

Cyclone

[This message has been edited by CycloneGU (edited 07-07-2011 @ 11:42 PM).]

Senseisan
Pleb
posted 07-08-11 01:19 ET (US)     52 / 57       
Do you not see how that would be wrong to steal copyright like that using unavailability or lack of support as a reason?
I agree that whith the pending laws , it is stealing .
But a " No support , no copyright " may force companies to support old games or let them became " abandonwares ".
CycloneGU
Pleb
posted 07-08-11 01:26 ET (US)     53 / 57       
One thing to make clear here, regardless of my opinion of your idea: neither the government nor the industry (who would completely attack the government for doing it) will create the "abandonware" category. Copyright cannot be removed; 45 years from now, you can't say you created it and have legal rights to it even if the popularity of the game died out, oh, 42 years ago. It's that simple. Once 50 years (I think 75 in some places) pass, then you have the ability and legality to create as many CD copies as you want; the downside is CDs will be 40 years obsolete, so you'll have to adapt the game to work with new technology.

Cyclone

[This message has been edited by CycloneGU (edited 07-08-2011 @ 01:27 AM).]

Senseisan
Pleb
posted 07-08-11 05:39 ET (US)     54 / 57       
It is just a matter of law ...
See the patents laws in Japan and cry ...
( If you take a patent in Japan , the stuff is free of any protection during 30 years ...After 30 years the remaining users begin to pay royalties ...)

I don't know about laws in all countries , but seems to me that copyright can be removed by his owner .
If the company owning the copyright must choose between supporting further the game or removing the copyright , it seems more equitable .

[This message has been edited by Senseisan (edited 07-08-2011 @ 08:40 AM).]

CycloneGU
Pleb
posted 07-08-11 08:54 ET (US)     55 / 57       
Doesn't work that way here. You create something and have a copyright on it, it's yours and yours alone; anyone paying you for it is obtaining permission to use it, or to own a copy of it, but you retain the original copyright. If you pull game support after five years, then you still retain the copyright as all those who purchased prior only own their respective copies, or rights to use the product. Not saying I agree with having restrictions in place for 50-75 years on games that are almost impossible to find, but hey, I don't write the laws. Even so, the company still owns the copyright as they created it.

Cyclone

[This message has been edited by CycloneGU (edited 07-08-2011 @ 08:54 AM).]

perfecture2000
Pleb
posted 09-24-11 10:32 ET (US)     56 / 57       
are ceaser 3 full downloads pirated?!
PCDania
Pleb
(id: PCD)
posted 09-24-11 12:43 ET (US)     57 / 57       
A DRM free Caesar 3 is available at gog.com for US$ 5.99. If you find it for free on download servers then it's pirated.

I have found download sites claiming to have the full version of Caesar 3 available for free as a ~73MB zip file but a zipped version of the full game takes up more than 300MB of space.

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