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AnnaPerenna
Pleb
posted 09-23-07 14:23 ET (US)         
Hello everyone, I'm new here. I hope this is the appriopriate place to post my question.

I am helplessly but willingly hooked to those lovely citybuilding games since I accidently bought a copy of Zeus this summer. I now got Ceze 3, Pharaoh, Zeus, Emperor and my appetite for cities is growing.
And yes, the moment I buy Cleopatra and Poseidon I shall be the luckiest citybuilding empress.

Now, my question:
Does anyone of you know (or can recommend) other such great games?
I am looking for citybuilding or imperium building (no war games of pure army management),
old school isometric (less use of RAM)
the more mythological and supernatural creatures involved, the better.
Ideally, another version of Zeus would be the cigar.

I have just stumbled upon older versions Age of Mythology, Age of Empires and Rising Nations in the game store, which one of those would meet most of my discriminating criteria?

I greet you all!

Gotta build them all!
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Jayhawk
Eminence Grise
posted 09-23-07 14:37 ET (US)     1 / 35       
Hi Anna
Age of Mythology and Age of Empires are more army management games, rather than city builder ones.

Quite a few city builders enjoyed Stronghold and it's sequels. It's more army oriented, but has a nice "city builder" element.

Rising Nations doesn't ring any bells, unless you mean Rise of Nations which is more like Civilisation, and has a strong army element as well

Hope this helps...

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PCDania
Pleb
(id: PCD)
posted 09-24-07 02:07 ET (US)     2 / 35       
If the Stronghold series which are about castle building and army management doesn't look like something for you then maybe "CivCity: Rome" and/or "Glory of the Roman Empire" might be something for you. I haven't played any of them and reviews are mixed but then it depends on what you expect and likes to play.

You can read a review and user reviews (right-side menu) here for "CivCity: Rome": "CivCity: Rome" at GameSpot

You can read a review and user reviews here for "Glory of the Roman Empire": "Glory of the Roman Empire" at GameSpot

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[This message has been edited by PCDania (edited 09-24-2007 @ 02:08 AM).]

TEP
Pleb
posted 09-24-07 04:01 ET (US)     3 / 35       
Hello and welcome, AnnaPerenna
The SimCity series may be an option. SimCity 4 is quite demanding on RAM and processor, but the older installments (SimCity 3000 and 2000) are good as well. Not much mythology, though, unless you count UFO's. Also, they are less mission oriented, so you must set your own goals for your city.

EDIT:
Just noticed this thread is now 75% Danish - don't worry, that is not usually the case on these forums.

[This message has been edited by TEP (edited 09-24-2007 @ 04:05 AM).]

AnnaPerenna
Pleb
posted 09-24-07 19:01 ET (US)     4 / 35       
Thank you all for your kind replies, you people are sweeter than a granary full of pomegranates!

>You can read a review and user reviews (right-side menu) here for "CivCity: >Rome"
>You can read a review and user reviews here for "Glory of the Roman Empire":

Thank you for the recommends!
I read the reviews and stared at the screenshots showing those games are 3D - so one fine day when I revamp my computer I might be giving CivCity a try. CivCity seems like a merge of Caesar and Civilisation, quite interesting! Such detailed management and nice menus!
Although the pleb-sprites are a bit dull and the city seems empty with no life or colours..
Allthough I will definitely get Ceze IV and Children of the Nile first, once my machine is able to play 3D games smoothly. My addiction to Sierras CBS will not be forgotten.

>Quite a few city builders enjoyed Stronghold and it's sequels. It's more army >oriented, but has a nice "city builder" element.

Thank you, but it didn't catch my fancy yet from looking at the screenies. Maybe once I play a demo, I will get more into it.

>Rising Nations doesn't ring any bells, unless you mean Rise of Nations >which is more like Civilisation, and has a strong army element as well

My mistake, Rise of Nations indeed. After your description I looked closer at the screenshots and they all seem to show that it's a quite lovely and more historical version of some Command&Conquer game.. Beautiful buildings! I am quite a sucker for aesthetic architecture! And Civilisation-like, you say? While isometric? I'm intrigued!

Sim City is an all time classic, true, but it's just not the same without naughty people and deities and a unique historical feel (olive harvests and pottery and bronze and tea) Is it possible to choose some ancient towns to build in Sim City?

>Age of Mythology and Age of Empires are more army management games, >rather than city builder ones.

Aw, such a shame, I was really eyeing those Ages at the store, especially the Mythology title got me all worked up by the title alone!
Nothing like a immortal hero or an exalted god wiping out your enemies or replenishing your harvest or trade!
But is there no citybuilding at all in those? No micromanagement of foods, warehouses, entertainment, culture, producers and such?

However - I can cope with some army management, I do choose the army missions in Citybuilding Series.
I also like Command&Conquer kind of deals from time to time, especially if it's a humoristic game.
But in historical games I look more for the relaxing and challenging pleasure of building a city from scratch or building an intricate empire - than constantly roaming the fields & mountains for enemies. That I leave for modern times.
For some reason I like amassing a big fat group of tanks, robots, HMVs etc and eliminating the enemies one by one, but when I have to do the same with spikes, rams and cannons it doesn't feel exactly as great.. maybe because I cannot aim the blows of the entire army as precise as with tanks and guns?
It looks like a bunch of peasants and knights are fighting with toothpicks! (if we're talking historical army games, as the citybuilding legions are quite easy on the eyes and much simpler to manage).

In conclusion, I will probably end up buying the Rise of Nations for the citybuilding, Civilisation & C&C feel and Age of Mythology for the sheer god powers and the C&C. The rest will wait for another time.

Once again thank you all for your willingness to find me even more entertainment! :-) Your expertise helped me decide!

(and forgive my lengthy posting)

Gotta build them all!
tobing
Pleb
posted 09-25-07 02:19 ET (US)     5 / 35       
Just to add some small remarks, Rise of Nations does not add too much of Civ, I found it to be sort of enhanced Age of Empires. Nice game however, and if you buy it, get the gold version: There's an addon which is also contained in that gold version.

We found Stronghold Crusader to be really addictive. It's great fun to crush an opponents castle with a bunch of catapults... at home, we play regular sessions with the kids, mostly coop against computer opponents. If you can, try to get the Warchest edition (only available in the US), which contains additional computer opponents.

Edit: Thinking of it, another game of interest might be Knights of Honor. I didn't really play it yet, but bought it and looked into it to get a first impression. Seems to be a deep and challenging game, something you don't master very quickly. Has building, army, diplomacy and trade...

[This message has been edited by tobing (edited 09-25-2007 @ 02:40 AM).]

PCDania
Pleb
(id: PCD)
posted 09-25-07 11:58 ET (US)     6 / 35       
There is also the old Settlers series. They are about war and building an empire but especially Settlers II is very funny looking at. It has a food-chain like in CB games. Settlers 3 is using more fresh colors and IMHO Settlers IV is a dissapointment with way too little room for building and way too much put in the fighting so it's much like playing AoK.

Here in late September "The Settlers - Rise of an Empire" is arriving in retail and it looks promising and the graphics style is much more true to the old Settlers.

Minimum requirements for playing "The Settlers - Rise of an Empire":


  1. Operating system: Windows XP, Windows Vista
  2. DirectX 9.0c
  3. Pentium 4 1.8 GHz, Athlon XP 1800+ CPU
  4. 512 MB RAM
  5. 100% DirectX 9.0c compatible graphics card with 64 MB RAM,
  6. Vertex Shader 1.1 and Pixel Shader 1.3 support
  7. (Pixel Shader 2.0 recommended)
  8. NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti or better
  9. ATI RADEON 9500 or better
  10. 100% DirectX 9.0c compatible sound card


I see there's a demo available too, size 1.37GB.

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[This message has been edited by PCDania (edited 09-25-2007 @ 12:10 PM).]

Civis Romanus
Angel
posted 09-25-07 22:25 ET (US)     7 / 35       
I've given it some headscratching and I have to say the older works of Ensemble Studios and the recent Caesar IV and Children of the Nile and CivCity: Rome are the only available citybuilders with a mythological or historical bent to them. The groundbreaking CivCity series is a pure citybuilder but in a modern context. Once you acquire the expansions like Cleopatra and Poseidon, and any expansions offered for Caesar IV, you've fairly well captured all that's available in that genre to date.

Stronghold I, Crusader and II offer some citybuilding sim and are fun games I would recommend to someone who doesn't mind a somewhat more active military challenge. However, for someone who wants strong emphasis on construction and system management in a historical setting with only minimal military, these games definitely will have more of an Age of Empires/Age of Kings feel to them rather than a citybuilder feel.

The only other game I know of which has something of a strong citybuilding feel, but is more macro towards cities rather than micro (like Caesar3) is the Civilisation series of which I've played all versions that Sid Meiers designed or directly advised, except Civilization IV which requires too much computing power for my machine. However, these have substantial military activity depending upon how you play the games.

May I offer the following: I know you like mythology and history. You won't find mythology in the following suggestions. However, if you like history, building trade systems and economic management of these systems, I suggest you try Railroad Tycoon, Platinum Edition. This game simulates railroad system construction, economic wealth-building through commercial enterprise, not too unlike the kind of management and construction required in citybuilder simulations. The game contexts are geographic and historical in context and performance-wise do not require too much computer power. If you have the computer power, there is a newer version with more complexity currently available. You should be able to find budget saving copies of the Platinum Edition in stores and on the net.

Lastly, one other suggestion. If you do enjoy building and management, I suggest any of the Roller Coaster Tycoon series. The game is not just about building roller coasters from scratch (which you don't have to do unless you want to) but offers very amusing and also some very challenging scenarios for designing, constructing and then economically managing amusement parks (not just roller coasters) towards the scenario's goals. I strongly recommend you go with the sequels to the original Roller Coaster Tycoon and not with the first edition of the game. Do try to purchase the game sets that have all of the expansions included.

I do not recommend Zoo Tycoon as I find it annoyingly tedious such that I am soon at the point where I'm tempted to let the beasts starve to death rather than bothering to run around and constantly care for them. I do not think one should exit this kind of game with a naggingly guilty conscience like that. You won't have that feeling with Roller Coaster Tycoon or Railroad Tycoon. Instead you will be feeling elated at your victory in these two games or determined to do it better against your computer competition the next time. Sounds kind of like citybuilding doesn't it?
tobing
Pleb
posted 09-26-07 02:23 ET (US)     8 / 35       
Thinking of Roller Coaster Tycoon and Railroad Tycoon stuff, I'm also thinking about Locomotion, which is also a game by Chris Sawyer and plays very much like RCT2. Large maps, and you build the transportation networks. Railroad system can be build with many possibilities like huge bridges and long tunnels, you can change the landscape if you have to (and got enough wealth), to me it is very much like building a model railway. Once you got your business flowing, that is.

For Zoo Tycoon, I liked that game for the kids. But the default settings of costs are too difficult, so I have modified those settings to make the game playable.

Similar thing for Locomotion: Most players of this game are annoyed by the fact that you always have to care about replacing older trains by newer ones, because they break down and stop all the traffic. So there's a small modification available for Locomotion that changes this behavior to have trains last for a long time. You may replace them eventually by newer and faster trains, but they won't break down any longer. Much more fun to the game! (Btw, the predecessor Transport Tycoon had a game setting for this, so you could switch off break downs then).

But after all, you definitely should try to get Poseidon and then play all the great adventures available on this site or on our site in the GADT section. There are quite a lot of adventures for Zeus/Poseidon!
Civis Romanus
Angel
posted 09-26-07 12:21 ET (US)     9 / 35       
Good point, Tobing, about the scenarios created by our members! A wealth of new scenarios awaits you, AnnaPerenna. As for railroad sims, I tend to favor the Sid Meier touch.

I researched the latest version developed in conjunction with Sid Meier and it turned out to be Sid Meier's Railroad! The version I recommended, Railroad Tycoon-Platinum Edition is not a Sid Meier advised version, but it's the best of the non-Meier sequels that requires a less powerful PC like mine. If you have the computer power, you will enjoy Railroad!. I do not mean to imply criticism of Locomotion since I have never played the game or the demo.

Speaking of demos, you might want to download a demo of one of our suggested games, AnnaPerenna, and give it whirl. Other than a time investment and some hard drive space, you won't be out the price of the software if you don't like what you see.

(Hmm, very quietly it seems I have just passed the 10,000th post threshold. Appropriately, it has happened in CityBuilders Heaven in whose story archive resides my very first post ever, a story post nervously made in June 1999. Well, interesting, but not earthshaking news.)

[This message has been edited by Civis Romanus (edited 09-26-2007 @ 03:28 PM).]

Jayhawk
Eminence Grise
posted 09-28-07 09:55 ET (US)     10 / 35       
Knights of Honor is a wonderful game, or at least any game which allows you to assassinate your father in law...

Made by the same people behind 1602 and 1503, which you might give a spin, demo wise.

Angel Jayhawk
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Andyblast
Pleb
posted 10-06-07 04:36 ET (US)     11 / 35       
Hi Anna,
... Rise of Nations indeed. After your description I looked closer at the screenshots and they all seem to show that it's a quite lovely and more historical version of some Command&Conquer game.. Beautiful buildings! I am quite a sucker for aesthetic architecture! And Civilisation-like, you say? While isometric? I'm intrigued!
About Rise of Nations. I am yet to find a SINGLE person who plays RTS & doesn't play this game. Really Fabulous buildings. Amazing wonder biuldings. Not demanding requirements-wise. Played on my old desktop WinME/800Mhz (although hates early Intel chipsets).

PS: Warning: Strongest military leanings (stronger than AoK/RoL/AoEIII/Stronghold....)

PPS: Age of Mythology is Garbage, BTW.

Anything that hurts gameplay will be blindfolded and shot.

[This message has been edited by Andyblast (edited 10-06-2007 @ 06:28 AM).]

Jayhawk
Eminence Grise
posted 10-07-07 04:13 ET (US)     12 / 35       
I am yet to find a SINGLE person who plays RTS & doesn't play this game.
I found one! Yesterday!!
Our friend Pontius gave it a couple minutes and decided: No.

Angel Jayhawk
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Duan Xuan
Pleb
posted 10-07-07 07:16 ET (US)     13 / 35       
First off, 10k posts is an important milestone, Civis! Congrats on that!

As you said though, buying the Impressions games, the Stronghold series and the more recent CB games such as C4 means that one has more or less 'captured all that's available in that genre to date'. I really can't think of any more CB games - the genre is really very tiny, especially in the modern gaming market, which is inundated with FPSs, RPGs and RTSs.

Anna, many of the other suggestions here are pretty good. I tried the demo for Anno 1703 and thought it was quite fun. I suppose the older 1503 and 1602 were pretty decent too.

And I concur with Jayhawk on Knights of Honor as well. It's really a very under-rated game. Ok, it does get high ratings from those who've played it, but I don't think it sold very well, maybe because Black Sea Studios didn't market it strongly enough. Try out the demo and see how good it is for yourself. I even took the extra mile to order the game from overseas, since it's not being sold in Singapore. It's a pity that not many have heard the game - it's one of my all-time favourites.

Btw, I'm another RTS player who's not played RoN, Andy. I gave the demo a try last time, but for some reason it never got me hooked, and I soon forgot about it.
PCDania
Pleb
(id: PCD)
posted 10-07-07 12:10 ET (US)     14 / 35       
Our friend Pontius gave it a couple minutes and decided: No.
Same here so that makes three.

"Cats are the only animals that are both uber, pwns and 1337 at the same time." -King Euric
By reading this fine print your soul is now the exclusive property of HeavenGames.

[This message has been edited by PCDania (edited 10-07-2007 @ 12:14 PM).]

aramann
Pleb
posted 10-08-07 08:27 ET (US)     15 / 35       
Try Topico. No angry Gods, but it's a good citybuilding game!
tobing
Pleb
posted 10-08-07 09:07 ET (US)     16 / 35       
Tropico! A shame that I forgot to mention that wonderful game. Yes, it's also 2D, but pretty elaborated, and with all its individually simulated agents it's quite similar to CotN, though of course! it looks and feels completely different. There's one extensions, called Paradise Island, which adds a lot to the original game. Recommended. Don't try to play Tropico 2 though, nice try, but as a game not comparable to the original Tropico game.

Edit: played RoN once, decided that it's too much like AoE and didn't play again... does that make four?

[This message has been edited by tobing (edited 10-08-2007 @ 09:09 AM).]

Civis Romanus
Angel
posted 10-08-07 15:14 ET (US)     17 / 35       
Darn! I completely forgot about Tropico too! *Wacks self on forehead*
First off, 10k posts is an important milestone, Civis! Congrats on that!
Thanks, DX. Post count per se isn't the point of being a member here, but I never expected to hit that threshold.

I played Rise of Nations, liked it, but never got into it too deeply, so I haven't explored all of its nooks, crannies and nuances.
AnnaPerenna
Pleb
posted 10-16-07 18:29 ET (US)     18 / 35       
Why hello again, my dear townsfolk!

I have been off, using my tiny drops of free time to play Ceze III (since I only got this game last month and played it to architect level sofar... and furthermore, I even more recently found the jewel of the Nile that is Cleo+Pharao gold edition! Yay to me! Winter will never be the same again!)

Thank you all once again for trying to pamper my whiny needs of even more citybuilding.
I am still one of those who haven't played Rise of Nations.
Neither have I played any of the games you mentioned, but following your advice I shall check out their demos respectively once I run out of Zeus scenarios, and assignments in Cleo, Ceze and Emperor.. (like that will happen any time this century)

(why is Age of Mythology garbage? Any particular reason? I do enjoy angry gods disturbing my primitive industries of bronze and sheep!)

Have any of you an opinion on Patrician I and II? Seems like a

Gotta build them all!
Andyblast
Pleb
posted 10-16-07 22:53 ET (US)     19 / 35       
why is Age of Mythology garbage
All Age of ... & RoN (& expn - TaP) are distinctly different fron citybuilders. Others are good while Mythology isn't because the USP of RTS's - Rock/Paper/Scissors counter mechanism isn't fully implemented in that one esp. in naval warfare.

It sold mostly (according to RTS fans here on Heaven) cos

1. At that time there was no new age of ... sequel.
2. It gave a chance to play with better graphics on newer cards.
3. Resource management was better than AoE/AoK.
I do enjoy angry gods disturbing my primitive industries
Gods don't come into your city in AoM. That's just a way of highlighting mythically different factions (e.g. if you play with Poseidon's you get free & better flying scouts - Pegasus & some naval advantages)

If you are thinking of getting RoN, do get either Thrones & Patriots exp too or get the Gold version (no fun not being able to play Americans or get the Red fort wonder )

PS: I said "a SINGLE person who plays RTS & doesn't play this game" , NOT "Tried (for a few minutes...) & didn't like it"

Anything that hurts gameplay will be blindfolded and shot.

[This message has been edited by Andyblast (edited 10-17-2007 @ 00:25 AM).]

tobing
Pleb
posted 10-17-07 02:06 ET (US)     20 / 35       
Patrician I and II are more trade simulations than builders or strategy games. I tried to like them (esp. II) but never got into really playing and enjoying them...
TorreyH
Pleb
posted 10-17-07 07:43 ET (US)     21 / 35       
I have also enjoyed the European civ-builder series from Sunflowers Interactive - first with 1602 A.D., then 1503 A.D., and now 1701 A.D. is on the way. Not so much mythology as the Impressions games, but still a lot of fun in building your towns, getting the economy to work, and dealing with the (fairly minimal) military challenges. These will run on older PC's, too.
Timhotep
Pleb
posted 10-17-07 12:39 ET (US)     22 / 35       
Hi AnnaPerenna and everyone else... long time no see :-)

Vote for Sunflowers games from me, too, I´ve got Anno 1503 and it is a very nice game.
AnnaPerenna
Pleb
posted 10-17-07 13:14 ET (US)     23 / 35       
Thanks once again, due to your recommendation I will try the demos for the Anno's once I run out of Sierra scenarios

Gotta build them all!
Godyssey
Pleb
(id: Two_ace_u)
posted 10-18-07 02:07 ET (US)     24 / 35       
PPS: Age of Mythology is Garbage, BTW.
Have you even got around to playing it?

The luck on getting a good citybuilders has decreased since now all they make are MMORPG, FPS etc.

A green great dragon.
Jayhawk
Eminence Grise
posted 10-23-07 09:47 ET (US)     25 / 35       
I've seen 1701 in the shops. Looks lovely as ever

As for AoM... it just didn't tickle my fancy

Angel Jayhawk
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