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Civis Romanus
Angel
posted 09-29-01 13:12 ET (US)         
COMPANION DISCUSSION THREAD TO THE MIST OF TIMEThis thread is created to provide the writing team and others a forum for communication on matters pertaining to the story THE MIST OF TIME now being written in the Community Forum. Please use this thread for discussion only. Do not communicate to each other in the story thread itself.

HOW THIS THREAD IS ORGANIZED:The first section of this header will describe the story's elements and characteristics. The second section will contain a categorized list of links suggested in posts as information for other writers to review and use. The last section will contain links to the other two threads comprising the trio of threads created for THE MIST OF TIME.

SECTION I - STORY ELEMENTS:
TYPE: Epic Adventure
TONE: Drama with comedy sequences.
STYLE: Strong characterizations; rich descriptions.
POST CONTENT: Two or more paragraphs per post.
LEVEL OF VIOLENCE: Moderately graphic.
FANTASY CONTENT: Pragmatic Mysticisim (See Post#20, below, for an explanation of this term) or Period Mysticism (See Post#28, below, for an explanation of this term).
OTHER GUIDELINES: Light innuendo with respect to gender and related content.

SECTION II - LINKS TO INFORMATION:

HISTORICAL SETTING:
England Around 500 AD

Vortigern
Dark Ages Brittain
Map of Anglo-Saxon England


HENGIST AND HORSA:
http://camelot.celtic-twilight.com/poetry/hall45.htm
http://www.bartleby.com/65/he/HengistN.html
http://www.ghg.net/shetler/oldimp/161.html

CULTURE - MUSIC - ARTS - OTHER
Costumes

SECTION III - LINKS TO RELATED THREADS:
STORY THREAD and CHARACTER DETAIL THREAD

[This message has been edited by Civis Romanus (edited 10-21-2001 @ 01:39 PM).]

AuthorReplies:
Jayhawk
Eminence Grise
posted 10-03-01 08:32 ET (US)     51 / 363       
One more thing...if you're taking characters into unexpected directions is anything like Incontinentia's escapades...why aren't you writing yet?
DarthBane
Pleb
posted 10-03-01 10:00 ET (US)     52 / 363       
I've finally got some time to devote to the story. I'm just going to read it now, see if I can find a good way to fit in...
Civis Romanus
Angel
posted 10-03-01 15:11 ET (US)     53 / 363       
Quotes from Jayhawk:
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Last but not least, don't let people like Civis, Cian and myself put you off. We've written lots so we know the paces and will write longish posts when we feel like it.
Just because we can doesn't mean you should only post 40+ lines per post.

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As for plot changes, Ramasses and also Titanic Guy and Thanh were pretty good at changing plotlines faster than they could type. Civis and I have become rather adept at bringing the story back in line if necessary, or just going with the flow.

Some spontaneity should still be there and the stories shouldn't get overburdened with pre-concieved plots as that would kill the spontaneity.

Repeated these quotes just to note that I heartily agree. And in those cases where one or the other of us is "bringing the story back in line" it is done supportively with the writer who missed the cue.

Gill Brittanica: I would be thrilled to see you participate in our stories. Dont' worry, the hesitation is natural. I lurked around the site and story threads for weeks before deciding to jump in. You're already well known here. In my case it was "Civis who?". And yes, I was one of those who mishandled Jay's character early on, survived a string of "'s", and here I am today. If only I could have this much fun and get paid for it too...

[This message has been edited by Civis Romanus (edited 10-03-2001 @ 03:36 PM).]

DarthBane
Pleb
posted 10-03-01 15:49 ET (US)     54 / 363       
Is my post an okay introduction?

Oh, and since my posting will be very erratic (although I'll be here daily), if anyone wants my character to do something to further the storyline, as long as it's the sort of thing he'd do, I don't mind one little bit...

Windplume
Pleb
posted 10-03-01 16:45 ET (US)     55 / 363       
Any ideas on when I should make an entrance?
Cian McGuire
Member
posted 10-03-01 20:40 ET (US)     56 / 363       
Darth, Gill, and Zig: Excellent guys, just excellent

Windplume: Why don't you and Darth work something together? He being in the North and all, it would seem to be the perfect setting for a big, stupid barbarian

Jay: Are we bringing Him into this? (refering, of course, to Arturus )


In vino veritas
Civis Romanus
Angel
posted 10-03-01 21:50 ET (US)     57 / 363       
Gill: Glad you decided to join us. A very nice first post and a perfect introduction for Lestra and Nyla. I hope my follow on post featuring Nyla did your post justice.

Windplume: Your smelly Saxon could be in the party crossing with Horsa. Cian has a good idea about co-mingling the Saxon and Darth's character. As we will dabble with portals in time (fantasy... who said fantasy?) certain spontaineous pairings of characters as they enter portals will spawn a series of side plots and adventures generally carried by the authors who own the personal characters involved. I have no idea what these side adventures will be; it's just that we are dealing with the Mist of Time and so it follows these things could happen.

Darth and ZigZac: Way to go! Nicely done!

Micah Aragorn: Greetings! Are you waiting in the wings?

Cian McGuire
Member
posted 10-03-01 23:09 ET (US)     58 / 363       
Portals in time?

What?

Did I miss something?


In vino veritas
Duan Xuan
Pleb
posted 10-04-01 02:39 ET (US)     59 / 363       
Right, I'll go and read the stories for now, and try to continue the story.

D XUAN
Cian McGuire
Member
posted 10-04-01 04:04 ET (US)     60 / 363       
You made me evil??

That ain't kosher man

That and the fact that Ruadan and Cian were leaving their homeland, headed for Wales to escape capture at the hands of Diarmat macCerbaill.


In vino veritas
Duan Xuan
Pleb
posted 10-04-01 08:27 ET (US)     61 / 363       
No, Cian isn't meant to be evil. He just suspects the background of Feimar. That's why they resort to arms...

As for the other part, I'll edit it.


D XUAN
Gill Britannica
Inactive
posted 10-04-01 09:02 ET (US)     62 / 363       
Is it possible to take over a non-personal character, or do they belong to the person with their names in brackets?
Civis Romanus
Angel
posted 10-04-01 11:01 ET (US)     63 / 363       
Gill: Non personal characters show the creating author in parenthesis. If you want to adopt a NPC and make the character your personal character, just let the creating author know. If it is one of mine (Lestra?) you are most welcome to adopt the character. Let me know and I will change the character's status in the story header.

Cian: Yep, you missed some of the earlier preliminary plot discussion in the previous discussion thread. Looks like you'll have to cope with time portals at some point. Just one of those wierd plot twist things, you know can happen. Question: Just how much adventure do you think you can have on a tiny mist shrouded isle anyway?

Gill Britannica
Inactive
posted 10-04-01 13:26 ET (US)     64 / 363       
Thanks Civis - yes it is Lestra ... but I'll carry on for a couple of posts first with no pc to make sure
Jaguar
Pleb
posted 10-04-01 16:27 ET (US)     65 / 363       
Great posts... I've been getting extremely swamped and want to run a few things past Jayhawk, but I'll be posting if not by tomorrow, certainly by next week.
Cian McGuire
Member
posted 10-04-01 23:23 ET (US)     66 / 363       
*sigh*

I always get antsy when other people use my character... oh well

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Question: Just how much adventure do you think you can have on a tiny mist shrouded isle anyway?

Tons- with all these factions coming together, we could have some amazing political action


In vino veritas
Jayhawk
Eminence Grise
posted 10-05-01 03:46 ET (US)     67 / 363       
Cian
I think we should keep Arthur as sort of a backdrop character. The story should enfold somewhat in the background of our story. The whole of ours as a kind of prelude for Arthur's.

We might run in to the odd knight looking for the cauldron/grail (Parcifal anybody? )

I don't think we should let him become the main force of the thread, though.

Duan
The 'Cian's' I've seen in the various stories can be seen as sometimes harsh but mostly just (and sometimes, just sometimes a tad melancholic, must be those Irish roots ).

Quoted from Gill:
Is it possible to take over a non-personal character, or do they belong to the person with their names in brackets?

The biggest difference between PC and NPC characters is that the first can not be killed without this being explicitly okayed by the author.

I remember MRed getting very upset, when we left her character at a 'cliffhanger' where it was in doubt whether or not she survived.

Cian
The mists things are supposed to be used (if needs be) as side action. Possibly as a way to 'test' the mettle of the various actors in this little play of ours.

Jaguar,
You know where to get hold of me

Cian McGuire
Member
posted 10-05-01 04:00 ET (US)     68 / 363       
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We might run in to the odd knight looking for the cauldron/grail (Parcifal anybody?

Wouldn't that be a mite premature, as it appears that Arthur is still under Merlin's tutelage, hence, I'd guess, rather young?

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The 'Cian's' I've seen in the various stories can be seen as sometimes harsh but mostly just (and sometimes, just sometimes a tad melancholic, must be those Irish roots ).

Only after the Siege of Nuremberg, and rightfully so

I thought before that my character was doing just fine- righteous, commanding, noble... but then I vacated the story, and off you guys ran with the whole 'melancholy this', 'melancholy that' routine .

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The mists things are supposed to be used (if needs be) as side action. Possibly as a way to 'test' the mettle of the various actors in this little play of ours.

Sounds good- but I'd suggest a little prudency before anyone begins to start having scenes from 'Back to the Future'


In vino veritas
Jayhawk
Eminence Grise
posted 10-05-01 04:45 ET (US)     69 / 363       
Well, with the island sort of being lost in time, we can have Parcifal show up looking for the grail, even though he'd be 20 odd years from the future...

As for Arthur's age.

Let's see...
476 Last Roman Empreror deposed
477 Aelle arrives in Sussex
500 Aelle becomes Bretwelda (Saxon High King)
516 Arthur's victory over the Saxons at Mt Baden
520 Clonard monastery founded in Ireland
537 Death of Arthur at Cammlann
542 Bubonic plague ravages Europe
550 Angles occupy Bamburgh (creation of Kingdom of Bernicia, near Lindisfarne)

I think we should consider we're somewhat before 500 AD, which would indeed make Arthur young.
Uther is probably still the Pendragon at this time, I think, we may even make it so that one or two of us are present at Arthur's drawing of the sword.

Hmmm, plot suggestion.

Let's assume Uther is at this time still alive. We'll have a battle between Uther wand Aelle's forces (aided by Horsa/Hengist and Ysbrand).

Uther is killed in this battle (Ysbrand counters Merlin's aid) and Aelle is crowned Bretwalda (which does not sit well with Hengist).

Shortly after the battle Merlin convinced Arthur to draw the sword. Jayhawk and possibly Jaguar's character at present at the drawing.

Cian McGuire
Member
posted 10-05-01 05:14 ET (US)     70 / 363       
Sounds good, but don't make that one of the key points... I think it would be more striking almost as if it was mentioned in passing...

"Oh, we were at this King's Drawing of the Sword... but anyways, did you see what Nyla was wearing?"


In vino veritas
Duan Xuan
Pleb
posted 10-05-01 05:28 ET (US)     71 / 363       
Who's that pretty girl in Jayhawk's last post in the story? Sorry in advance for my poor understanding abilities...

Also, both Hengist and Horsa were Saxon chiefs. Difference between them???


D XUAN
Gill Britannica
Inactive
posted 10-05-01 05:32 ET (US)     72 / 363       
Speaking of what Nyla was wearing, are there any sites that would have pictures of the clothing they would have worn? Also houses/tents etc?
Jayhawk
Eminence Grise
posted 10-05-01 08:00 ET (US)     73 / 363       
I didn't intend to spend more than a post on it, Cian. Possibly even the post where I meat up with Jaguar's alterego

Duan,
Hengist and Horsa are brothers. They lead bands of warriors, call themselves kings. Aelle is about to become the Saxon high-king (or king of kings).

The girl Darnulf saw was Nyla's sister, or maybe even Nyla, (not sure how much the resemble each other) but I'd prefer the former.

Gill,
Not sure of sites, but skirts, dresses, kirtles for women, hose and jerkins for men a bit like Asterix and the Britons, mixed in with early medieval stuff (like the Robin Hood series in which Jason Connery featured) shades of Ecalibur and MP's Holy Grail.

Duan Xuan
Pleb
posted 10-05-01 08:25 ET (US)     74 / 363       
Well, I just hope that I haven't made a mistake in the story I last posted... Got to edit the whole chunk of it if so...

D XUAN
Jayhawk
Eminence Grise
posted 10-05-01 08:35 ET (US)     75 / 363       
Nice work Gill and ZigZac.

Duan the writing is okay, but you have to pay a little more attention tho what's going on.

Darnulf is a young guard. He's on duty in Dover most of the time, Hengist treated him to a feast becaus eof the good news he brought. He's neither a drunk nor someone that will likely bother the two chieftans.

Apart from that he's no longer in the camp as he was riding out back to Dover while Horsa arrived.

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