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Civis Romanus
Angel
posted 09-29-01 13:12 ET (US)         
COMPANION DISCUSSION THREAD TO THE MIST OF TIMEThis thread is created to provide the writing team and others a forum for communication on matters pertaining to the story THE MIST OF TIME now being written in the Community Forum. Please use this thread for discussion only. Do not communicate to each other in the story thread itself.

HOW THIS THREAD IS ORGANIZED:The first section of this header will describe the story's elements and characteristics. The second section will contain a categorized list of links suggested in posts as information for other writers to review and use. The last section will contain links to the other two threads comprising the trio of threads created for THE MIST OF TIME.

SECTION I - STORY ELEMENTS:
TYPE: Epic Adventure
TONE: Drama with comedy sequences.
STYLE: Strong characterizations; rich descriptions.
POST CONTENT: Two or more paragraphs per post.
LEVEL OF VIOLENCE: Moderately graphic.
FANTASY CONTENT: Pragmatic Mysticisim (See Post#20, below, for an explanation of this term) or Period Mysticism (See Post#28, below, for an explanation of this term).
OTHER GUIDELINES: Light innuendo with respect to gender and related content.

SECTION II - LINKS TO INFORMATION:

HISTORICAL SETTING:
England Around 500 AD

Vortigern
Dark Ages Brittain
Map of Anglo-Saxon England


HENGIST AND HORSA:
http://camelot.celtic-twilight.com/poetry/hall45.htm
http://www.bartleby.com/65/he/HengistN.html
http://www.ghg.net/shetler/oldimp/161.html

CULTURE - MUSIC - ARTS - OTHER
Costumes

SECTION III - LINKS TO RELATED THREADS:
STORY THREAD and CHARACTER DETAIL THREAD

[This message has been edited by Civis Romanus (edited 10-21-2001 @ 01:39 PM).]

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Cian McGuire
Member
posted 10-01-01 22:44 ET (US)     26 / 363       
Quote:
I'm sorry the post caused you to take umbrage. I was trying to be helpful not hurtful.

I know, I was just teasing- no umbrage taken


In vino veritas
Jayhawk
Eminence Grise
posted 10-02-01 03:25 ET (US)     27 / 363       
Civis
If you can find a minute or (hour or) two have a peek over in AoK:History and look for "Barbarossa you're back! by Perses. This developed in a story in the best traditions of C3H/PH.

A nice mix of period magic, the odd magical creature and wonderous wit and Incontinentia-like silliness.

We recently fired it up again for a part II.

Jayhawk
Eminence Grise
posted 10-02-01 03:35 ET (US)     28 / 363       
A little more on mysticism.

I've always been a favourite of "period magic". This means that what the common man believed true was indeed true. Mages and warlocks did exist and could perform magic where needed, however, in no European (500AD) story includes armies of goblins, but they people (especially the Celtic ones) did believe in the odd member of the Seelie and Unseelie court.

Oh, FYI, the Cauldron is one of the four mystical/mythical Celtic treasures. The other three are a sword (Air) a spear (Fire) and a stone (Earth). The cauldron is indeed water and some scholars see the Holy Grail as a christianised version of this 'pagan' relic.

I also fully expect early christian saints to be able to perform the odd miracle and ditto for Celtic gods to (possibly) make an appearance.

Does this make any sense?

Cian McGuire
Member
posted 10-02-01 04:12 ET (US)     29 / 363       
Yes, and it sounds good

It would get my vote- but anything 'big' magically should be mentioned in here first so that there aren't any surprises running amok (much like the Ice Warlock in Barbarossa)


In vino veritas
Duan Xuan
Pleb
posted 10-02-01 04:31 ET (US)     30 / 363       
Feimar is an orphan, but where should he be from? What race? He is a boy following the sailors, so maybe he can help out on a ship?

D XUAN
Cian McGuire
Member
posted 10-02-01 04:35 ET (US)     31 / 363       
Well, I'm on a ship right now... how about you're part of the crew?

In vino veritas
Duan Xuan
Pleb
posted 10-02-01 04:45 ET (US)     32 / 363       
Fine with me. However, this Feimar seems to have a very mysterious background... Because he doesn't have a proper one! Someone please help him (me) think of one, because I know nothing of ancient european history.

D XUAN
Cian McGuire
Member
posted 10-02-01 06:15 ET (US)     33 / 363       
Just kill some time and do a little research- start with the thread I provided, which Civis helpfully linked in his title post here.

You'll need to do some of this yourself, especially if you want to help contribute in any large way .


In vino veritas
Duan Xuan
Pleb
posted 10-02-01 08:06 ET (US)     34 / 363       
Thanks, you're right, Cian. How is it that I never saw the link!?

D XUAN
Civis Romanus
Angel
posted 10-02-01 21:44 ET (US)     35 / 363       
Hmmmm... Just came back from AoK:History, Jayhawk, and did a look see at the "Barbarossa" story. Interesting. Reminds me of some of the things we've done in the past. But I didn't find the Part II you spoke about. Maybe I am not looking for the right thing.

I did see a new story starting about "Barbarians" and it was labeled Part II. Is that the one? It looks like someone is taking a page out of our methods book and trying to organize a story format. Good luck.

Well... Back to matters at hand.

Duan Xuan: Try this. Feimar's parents escaped from a slaver when it shipwrecked west of Normandy. They were rescued by Celtic fishermen. The father died from exposure. The mother died in childbirth, orphaning Feimar. He was raised by a childless Celt couple, who were killed in a Saxon raid. Hence, Feimar is twice an orphan. He trusts no one, least of all Saxons.

Does this help?

Cian McGuire
Member
posted 10-03-01 01:12 ET (US)     36 / 363       
And now he's a Welsh sailor, traversing the Irish Sea...

In vino veritas
Cian McGuire
Member
posted 10-03-01 01:13 ET (US)     37 / 363       
Oh, part 2 is just being intergrated into the first thread

In vino veritas
Jayhawk
Eminence Grise
posted 10-03-01 04:22 ET (US)     38 / 363       
Civis
As Cian mentioned, Part 2 is being put back into part one. Some people were afraid it would get lost otherwise
Cian McGuire
Member
posted 10-03-01 04:24 ET (US)     39 / 363       
Wusses.

We shoulda just gone with a new thread, that way I wouldn't have to jump to the last page each time... plus, it would encourage more people to get involved.


In vino veritas
Duan Xuan
Pleb
posted 10-03-01 04:34 ET (US)     40 / 363       
Thanks, Civis. You made my research much, much easier!

D XUAN
Duan Xuan
Pleb
posted 10-03-01 05:00 ET (US)     41 / 363       
Hmm... In Civis's 2nd post in the story thread, he mentioned a kid asking Talisien about the the Cauldron. Is he supposed to be Feimar?

D XUAN
Cian McGuire
Member
posted 10-03-01 05:05 ET (US)     42 / 363       
I don't believe so...

But he could be, I suppose.

Let me know about that deckhand bit, too- cause I could just introduce you in my next post if you're a bit hesistant to make an entrance .


In vino veritas
Duan Xuan
Pleb
posted 10-03-01 05:22 ET (US)     43 / 363       
I am rather hestitant, Cian. You understand others well!

I don't know when I should come in, and how the story should really carry on. Need to clarify my question with Civis first. Or else I would have some problem writing. I wouldn't know whether or not to introduce Feimar.


D XUAN
ZigZac
Pleb
posted 10-03-01 05:41 ET (US)     44 / 363       
I feel the same as Duan. I don't know when to jump in and start writing. That and my life is starting to pick up, a lot. I go to school all day. I leave me house at 6:45 am and don't get home every night until about 10 pm. I will try to write soon, but it won't be a hole lot.

ZigZac
"When women hold off from marrying men, we call it independence. When men hold off from marrying women, we call it fear of commitment."
Cian McGuire
Member
posted 10-03-01 05:48 ET (US)     45 / 363       
Guys, it's not about the quantity of your posts, but how well they integrate your character and ideas into the whole mesh of this story. Your posts don't have to be big- just 2 paragraphs, and just enough for you to put your own accent on the words being spoken.

In vino veritas
Jayhawk
Eminence Grise
posted 10-03-01 06:09 ET (US)     46 / 363       
Quoted from Cian:
We shoulda just gone with a new thread, that way I wouldn't have to jump to the last page each time... plus, it would encourage more people to get involved.

It would help with getting more people invovled.
As for the jumping. Click the folder, not the thread. It will show you the 20 most recent posts.

Quoted from Duan:
Is he supposed to be Feimar?

Not likely as the cauldron has been hidden some 20-30 years by now. Feimar would be an 'old man' not a kid.

As for posting, Cian's right.

It's funny with you being so hesitant (may be a side-effect of the discussion thread) which is in complete opposite as some of teh people we had postng here, Ramasses was one of the finer examples, like Mongol Warrior over in the OD stroy he tried to make at least 4 posts a day and 3-4 plot twists per post.

Now of course this is only one extreme.

You can do several things to get the feel.
One is to post bits of the story so far, add to what is written using the characters that are currently 'visible' Then add your own character when necessary (or wait for it to be introduced).
This way you'll be in the story before your character is.

Alternatively you can start a story line telling what your character is doing while all these other things take place. This gives a nice switching of scenes, remeniscent of good books

Last but not least, don't let people like Civis, Cian and myself put you off. We've written lots so we know the paces and will write longish posts when we feel like it.
Just because we can doesn't mean you should only post 40+ lines per post.

If you're still hesitant, look at some of the older stories in the story archives.

ZigZac
Pleb
posted 10-03-01 06:38 ET (US)     47 / 363       
I had some time tonight, so I decided I might as well start writing. Thanks to the advise/encouragement from Jayhawk and Cian.

Tell me if you like it. I wanted it to be a little bit funny. After all, it is supposed to have some comidy scenes in it.


ZigZac
"When women hold off from marrying men, we call it independence. When men hold off from marrying women, we call it fear of commitment."
Jayhawk
Eminence Grise
posted 10-03-01 07:40 ET (US)     48 / 363       
More on Hengist & Horsa
http://camelot.celtic-twilight.com/poetry/hall45.htm
http://www.bartleby.com/65/he/HengistN.html
http://www.ghg.net/shetler/oldimp/161.html

Seems they were a little earlier than our timeframe...but let's call it poetic license

[This message has been edited by Jayhawk (edited 10-03-2001 @ 07:46 AM).]

Gill Britannica
Inactive
posted 10-03-01 08:18 ET (US)     49 / 363       
Interested in the replies - I too would like to join in & almost did in the last story. It's just that almost insurmountable hurdle of making the first post.

I have no clues as to a personal character & rather like AJ's suggestion of using the characters already introduced. There's also a hesitancy that I might take the plot in the wrong direction or offend someone by using their character in some way they don't like.

Most of the posters are experienced forum story-tellers and I would love to know how you feel when someone does something unexpected or not in keeping with the general flow?

Jayhawk
Eminence Grise
posted 10-03-01 08:31 ET (US)     50 / 363       
You'd be welcome, Gill

Let's see.
One of the reasons for the bio's is that people will know about how a character reacts, and that can be used while posting.

My character by now is so well known that hardly anybody makes him do things he wouldn't so that makes my life easier. However, I remember some of the earlier stories, where he was made to look more like an avenging biblical angel raining death and destruction on Sodom and Gomorrah than on the actual character I had build over all these years.

Most people will suggest you have 'mistreated' their character in here and you'll have time to adjust things (if necessary).

You can start using the characters in the story and possibly take over a NPC when you grow attached to him/her, or add a PC when you find a nice hole to fit in.

As for plot changes, Ramasses and also Titanic Guy and Thanh were pretty good at changing plotlines faster than they could type. Civis and I have become rather adept at bringing the story back in line if necessary, or just going with the flow.

Some spontaneity should still be there and the stories shouldn't get overburdened with pre-concieved plots as that would kill the spontaneity.

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