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WinterPharaoh
Pleb
posted 12-14-04 08:32 ET (US)         
A contest with a difference...
The 3x100 relay!!

"Pharaoh Nebka is gravely concerned. While his enormous tomb at his capital Menat Khufu continues to proceed, the unfortunate death of his chief vizier, who had been directing the supply of resources to this massive project, has meant that the flow of stone and wood to the immense and sprawling construction site is drying up.
"At the same time, Pharaoh is alarmed by the reports that the Libyans are redoubling their attacks on the caravans from the African interior, which supply Egypt with much of her luxury goods.
"Pharaoh has decreed that the Libyans must be crushed, and crushed with all possible speed. To this end, he wishes you to establish a colony at Selima Oasis, where your army can both safeguard the African trade routes and support the advance of Nebka's foremost general, Marsenant, as he advances up the Nile towards Nekhen and beyond. Although Selima Oasis has sparse natural resources of its own, the few that it does feature are exactly what Pharaoh needs.
"Pharaoh's plan is simple. You will serve as a forward supply post for Marsenant's forces as they advance up the Nile towards Nekhen, Abu and Dunqul Oasis. Marsenant has the authority of the Pharaoh to requisition all the military resources he needs from you, be they soldiers, weapons or other martial supplies. At the same time, you will support and protect the precious caravan routes into Egypt from Iken and Pwenet.
"This will be a difficult mission. But Pharaoh also has one last task for you. Pharaoh has decreed that Marsenant should receive a mudbrick pyramid of his own as a tomb, an honour almost unheard of for one outside the royal family. Pharaoh requires that you construct this tomb for him, that Marsenant might spend his eternal sleep close to the battlefields where he is winning the greatest victories of his career. While Pharaoh knows that such an undertaking will be hugely difficult in an area without any local supplies of clay, he will endeavour to send you as much support as possible without drawing undue attention to the new construction project.
Pharaoh knows that this will not be an easy mission. But he has the greatest confidence in you. Do not fail him."

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Ok, I don't know how many of you read the (now removed) post I wrote in this thread but if you did, you must by now have twigged to what this post is about. For those of you who didn't read the above thread before the important bit was deleted, here's the catch:

This contest will not start in the usual way. Each player who wishes to participate will have to register first, and then on the first day of the competition each player will receive the save game file by e-mail. This is important as each save file will have to have a unique ID number (more on that later). The contestants will obviously build the city in the usual way, for ten years, until they receive a December save notice for marble rather than sandstone. At this point, they save their final game, and send the file back in to the organiser.

This is the point at which it gets radically different from most contests. Each map will be briefly checked to ensure that no cheating has occurred, and then the maps will be redistributed to totally different people! In this way, each player will then receive, by e-mail, a save game file which has the basis of a city built by a different player. They will then be required to build upon the city they are given, trying to work with what they have been given by the previous player.

All in all this event is designed to test the contestant's ability to think on their feet, build a working city with a low level of initial planning and incorporate the work of people with totally different mindsets into their own city. It will not be possible for a player to simply demolish the work of the contestant who played the map before them, since restarting a city a third of the way through the event would put the player out of the contest.

Scoring will be slightly complicated, but not ridiculously so. Players will be marked in teams - if one map is given a score of 100, each of the players who worked on that map will be given 100 points. However, since over the course of the three rounds the player will have worked on three different maps, each contestant would receive three marks for his/her three maps. Adding these scores together would give the final score for each player. This is much easier than trying to grade the player's individual contribution to a map, which would me messy and subjective. Marking them this way also removes any incentive for gamesmanship - it's in the player's own best interest to make it as easy as possible for the player who succeeds them. Minimizing the opportunity for collaboration between players (such as ensuring that no one knows which city is which, hence the ID number rather than "WinterPharaoh's entry") will also help minimize the opportunity for cheating.

While the possibility exists for cities to get lost/misdirected/etc, the chance is no greater than when sending out normal contest maps, and since the whole purpose of the contest is that the maps are supposed to go to different places, it makes it much easier to correct any mistakes!

The contest will obviously be run in three segments, and will probably take place during February/early March, for those of you who might be interested.

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So there you have it. While this is by no means the 'official' registration, I would be most obliged if anyone who would be interested in participating, and available during the time above, would make a reply to that effect. I'm just gauging public opinion/support at the moment. If the general consensus is against a relay-style event, it could be run as a normal contest, with each contestant playing the full 30 years; but I believe that much more enjoyment would be had by everyone if we press on with the relay plan. Comments and opinions welcome, and if you would be interested in participating, please do say so ASAP. Thank you.


"You're just jealous because the little voices talk to me!" - Sara Rain Morgan

[This message has been edited by WinterPharaoh (edited 02-03-2005 @ 08:41 AM).]

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joshofet
Pleb
posted 04-04-05 07:38 ET (US)     126 / 135       
I have no problem in making a list of players who want to participate, and send them the necessary info when we start the game. Normally players download their file from a central site, which can be done rather anonymously, and decide whether or not they will submit, but apart from the first round that won't work in the relay setup. For the second and third round we must forward specific files to specific players, so we must be able to reach them directly. We haven't decided yet how the files will be broadcasted to the players, but that may well be simply by e-mail.

If you want to be posted on when this event is actually starting, send me a short e-mail stating:

- your nickname,
- your mail address where you want to receive the info (if different from the sending address),
- your (estimated) level (novice/expert) in Pharaoh/Cleopatra competitions,
- the months when you are (not) available for this contest,

and I will put you on that list. Note that being on the list in no way forms any obligation for actually competing, nor is entry on the list required for competing. Anybody who submits a valid entry for the first round can participate.

WinterPharaoh
Pleb
posted 04-18-05 10:48 ET (US)     127 / 135       
I'm back!!

Sorry for the "radio silence", but as Joshofet says, I've been on holiday for the past three weeks.

GraniteQ, I haven't recieved an e-mail from you for a loooong time... Have you got my 'new' (ish) e-mail address? It's in my profile if you haven't.

Joshofet, thankyou for your support and particularly for that epic commentary (which I have just recieved). As you say, there is still a huge ammount of work to be done. Also particular thanks for the 'newsletter' service - that will be a great help to all who wish to participate.

All: GraniteQ is right in saying that this will probably be a summer/autumn contest. Thankyou for sticking with me.

WinterPharaoh

Ps: you can drop the 'she' business. I'm amazed that I've managed to go all this time and never tell anyone my gender!! M...A...L...E... there you go!


"You're just jealous because the little voices talk to me!" - Sara Rain Morgan
Guzzardo23
Pleb
posted 04-18-05 22:59 ET (US)     128 / 135       

Quoted from Joshotef:

WP has informed me that he (she?) will be away on a three week holiday, so that explains the radio silence. We all have our RL obligations.


Quote:

holiday


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obligations


An oxymoron?

BTW, have there been a Pharaoh Beauty City Contest or something like that?

[This message has been edited by Guzzardo23 (edited 04-18-2005 @ 11:12 PM).]

joshofet
Pleb
posted 04-20-05 11:01 ET (US)     129 / 135       
Hi guzzardo23. I rarely write anything I don't intend to mean what others can read in it.

I don't recall whether HG has hosted Pharaoh/Cleo beauty contests, but we have had several at CBC, and indeed have one planned in the series of re-creating historical cities. After Rome (CIII) and the Forbidden City (Emperor) we have plans for an Egyptian counterpart, to be played with the Cleo extension. Still premature, but if we have another Cleo map up and running now at CBC, hope you have the extension, otherwise no dice.

I just received the feedback from WinterPharaoh on my comment, and we will be needing a third tester for the relay map, hopefully shortly. Note that testing disqualifies you from competing. Any volunteers?

Guzzardo23
Pleb
posted 05-25-05 21:12 ET (US)     130 / 135       

"Hope this helps! " -Guzzardo23
"Never chase a lie. Let it alone, and it will run itself to death." -Lyman Beecher

¸¸,¤°`Winner of Johnaton Clark's absolutely nothing for being the 88888th person to spell his name wrong`°¤,¸¸

[This message has been edited by Guzzardo23 (edited 06-18-2005 @ 02:05 PM).]

WinterPharaoh
Pleb
posted 05-26-05 10:24 ET (US)     131 / 135       
Let's just say it's taking a while...

Sorry folks, but I'm afraid we're in for the long-haul - I don't want to burden you with a boring or un-challenging map - that'll just make it a chore, and it should be fun to play. I'll keep you informed.

Right now, we're ironing out some problems in the event tree and finalising the Winning Criteria and scoring formula. I don't want to put a date on it - it'll be ready when it's ready. Until then, just sit back, relax, and do something else...


"You're just jealous because the little voices talk to me!" - Sara Rain Morgan
civilis
Pleb
posted 06-26-05 04:58 ET (US)     132 / 135       
nomen est omen

[This message has been edited by civilis (edited 07-19-2005 @ 08:48 AM).]

Guzzardo23
Pleb
posted 08-13-05 17:38 ET (US)     133 / 135       
Is this map still being tested?...

Also, WinterPharaoh, a link to your long loop block will be apreciated in the Pharaoh Forums.


"Hope this helps! " -Guzzardo23
"Never chase a lie. Let it alone, and it will run itself to death." -Lyman Beecher

¸¸,¤°`Winner of Johnaton Clark's absolutely nothing for being the 88888th person to spell his name wrong`°¤,¸¸
WinterPharaoh
Pleb
posted 08-24-05 08:08 ET (US)     134 / 135       
Yes, I'm afraid it is. The end is in sight, though... if you use a telescope .

No seriously, we're practially finished.

[takes deep breath]

Figure late september, early October.

[thinks "Oh god, what have I done?]
[runs and hides in corner]


"You're just jealous because the little voices talk to me!" - Sara Rain Morgan
Guzzardo23
Pleb
posted 09-19-05 23:32 ET (US)     135 / 135       

Quote:

The contest will obviously be run in three segments, and will probably take place during February/early March, for those of you who might be interested.

I can (do I?) understand well that making such a competition involves serious testing, and thus will leave you alone for a while.
Just a couple of months or so...


"Hope this helps! " -Guzzardo23
"Never chase a lie. Let it alone, and it will run itself to death." -Lyman Beecher

¸¸,¤°`Winner of Johnaton Clark's absolutely nothing for being the 88888th person to spell his name wrong`°¤,¸¸

[This message has been edited by Guzzardo23 (edited 09-19-2005 @ 11:32 PM).]

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