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Seneca
Pleb
posted 09-05-00 16:06 ET (US)         
I just stomped over a thread about Dungul. dadtoth complained that he wasn't able to beat the Kushites with 2inf/2arch. In the meantime I finished Dungul myself on hard. Thus I know you can beat the Kushites with this force without much casualties if you have Seth's "strike them down" blessing in your coffers.

The main question is: How to get a major blessing when you need one? I think most of us were especially annoyed with Seth from time to time. You're throwing festival after festival, Seth promises that he will aid your troops in conquering every known country in the world, but they are slaughtered again and again on their own doorsteps.

Here's what I tried in Dungul, and it worked quite well:
Of course, build enough temples and shrines to accumulate Ankhs, but - be patient with the festivals! Blessings are usually triggered right after a festival. If there is none - no blessing. Sometimes a god who is fully loaded with Ankhs wants to get rid of them with a minor blessing even without a festival, but that's rare.
So I simply waited until Seth accumulated 4-5 Ankhs before he got his festival. This meant less blessings than possible, but most of them were majors. Not 100%, of course, but enough to have one ready for every invasion.

Anyone out there with more "scientific" knowledge about this?
Yours,

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Merepatra
HG Alumnus
posted 09-05-00 16:18 ET (US)     1 / 15       
There is another thread "Choosing your blessings" http://pharaoh.heavengames.com/cgi-bin/pharaohcgi/display.cgi?action=st&fn=3&tn=911&f=,,1,0 that covers it in a bit more detail.
Seneca
Pleb
posted 09-05-00 16:32 ET (US)     2 / 15       
Thanks Merepatra.
Obviously Baltic made the same observation much earlier than me - which is not surprising. Well, it was long before my time as a Pharaoh.*sigh*
But I'm really impressed about your remembering that long-lost thread - wow!

BTW, since ages I only use common festivals. Did anyone observe any difference to the other festivals since the mentioned thread?

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Merepatra
HG Alumnus
posted 09-05-00 17:24 ET (US)     3 / 15       
I searched out that thread during the Pharaoh Olympics and printed part of it out Seneca so I knew it was there. Wish I could claim it was just my fantastic memory
Plebus
Pharaolympics 2000 Competitor
posted 09-05-00 17:38 ET (US)     4 / 15       
About blessings: besides doing as Baltic said,save often.Many observations show that the blessing is quite random(about timing),if a small blessing came before the festival(very likely if you have more than enough of temples and shines),load the save(if failed,try again).and the small blessing could be "held back",and you'll have a much bigger chance to get the big one.

When god is benevolant with 2-4 ankhs,holding a small festival will most likely get the big blessing.


About Kushotes:When I was playing TUNNEL,I checked the fiugure_Model_hard.txt,trying to find out why my army was so easlily destroyed:Kushite axeman had 12 armor for melee attack,just equal to Egyptian infantry's 12 attack value,means infantry company can do no harm to Kushites axeman,and they are virtually useless except acting as "human shield":they can stand longer than policemen .

So when facing Kushites,aside from getting blessings from Seth,using towers+police+archers is your best bet(Seth can only destroy about 10 axemen at a time),add one or two infantry if you have too much copper(or deben) to spare.3 or 4 archer company and a few towers can do the job very quickly.

In TUNNEL,the tower is unavailable(thanks Baltic),so police+infantry is the only thing I have to protect my archers.

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JWorth
Pharaolympics 2000 Competitor
posted 09-05-00 19:05 ET (US)     5 / 15       
There's also a useful old post by Jimhotep which gets into the mechanics of when the different ranges for blessings fall, and when festivals should be timed. It's here:
http://pharaoh.heavengames.com/cgi-bin/pharaohcgi/display.cgi?action=st&fn=3&tn=1442&f=,,1,0

I believe that post #4 in that thread is the key.

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Vriesea
Pleb
posted 09-06-00 17:07 ET (US)     6 / 15       
Plebus:

Interesting about the "save often". I would of thought you would get the same type of blessing when you restored the game. Guess different game actions from the restore to the blessing will change the results. Will have to try that

My strategy with Seth is to hold lots of festivals. The blessings I observe are protection when fighting far away or destruction of the enemy on home soil (usually 10 enemy like you observed).

When you receive the protection when fighting far away I have sent as few as one archer fort and still come back victorious. Have thought about sending as few as 1/2 or 1/4 of a fort but never pursued it. I would assume you would still come back victorious.

Have never seen more than 10 or so of the enemy be destroyed by Seth on the home soil. But often that can be a swaying factor. I do seem to recall in one campaign that this occurred twice during the same battle. Would be interested if anyone else observed this blessing more than once in the same battle.

Good observations about the Kushites. When you start moving into the "Hard" difficulty, you find that the enemy usually is superior in hit points and defense.

Another tactic often used is to take archers or infantry place them in the "Spread" formation in front of your towers. The "Spread" formation is the icon that enables a defense more effective against projectiles.

This formation also allows your troops to act as foder over a wider range of towers. Thus you will have more towers active over the enemy using the same number of troops.

Good gaming
Vriesea

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JWorth
Pharaolympics 2000 Competitor
posted 09-06-00 23:49 ET (US)     7 / 15       
I'm not sure about melee armor, but for missiles for the armor value shows the fraction out of 20 of damage which is blocked (so hippos, with a missile armor of 16, take 20% damage). Though archers are more effective against Kushites than against any of the other higher level enemies, I don't think that infantry is completely ineffective.

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Baltic
Pleb
posted 09-07-00 02:42 ET (US)     8 / 15       
Vriesea,
as I found out to my surprise some time ago, it can happen that if you save the game between festival and blessing and then reload it, you don't get any blessing at all - or it comes almost a year later.

There is certain level of randomness in the blessings, so that the same situation may lead to different blessing each time you try. Which blessing you'll get is most probably determined only in the moment when the blessing happens, not before.

Cherub Baltic

Tomek
Pharaolympics 2000 Competitor
posted 09-07-00 02:50 ET (US)     9 / 15       
Yes, it is random when /and from which god , if there are more who want to bless you/ the blessing comes . If you go for a big one , let's say Bast , you have to save often at the ends of the month to make sure she does not blesses you too early with the small blessing , and so you can collect more ankhs . This might result what Baltic wrote that a blessing might come quite late , but if you are patient enough , and load the game sometimes 10-20 times , you can get it even faster than you think .
Plebus
Pharaolympics 2000 Competitor
posted 09-07-00 05:23 ET (US)     10 / 15       
Tomek have clerified what I said as "save often"(and it was actually credit to Tomek,he gave me the advice when I was confused of big blessings),yes,you should make a save just at 15-16th day of the month,or when in Dec or June,just load the autosave(or autosvae history),if there are mutiple gods in the city,and especially when Bast had thrown her small blessing,you can choose blessings you needed,surppose theses gods are loaded with several ankh and above amiable.Loading a save also is the only way you can choose from two different minor blessings (such as Ra's),I used this trick extensively when i have to get "increase trading" blessing every year.

JWorth,if you use infantry only when facing Kushites,you'll probably find all company died out and not even a scratch to Kushites axemen.-disclaimer:I've not been so brave to do that,so not 100% sure.

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JWorth
Pharaolympics 2000 Competitor
posted 09-07-00 06:16 ET (US)     11 / 15       
I wasn't really suggesting using a purely infantry force , I go heavy on the archers against the Kushites also. Mainly, I asked because I've been assuming that melee armor functions in the same way as missile armor, but I've never tested. I think that infantry should do 4-5 points of damage per blow against Kushites.
Plebus
Pharaolympics 2000 Competitor
posted 09-07-00 06:32 ET (US)     12 / 15       
JWorth,

To tell the truth,what make me checking the Figure_Model_Hard.txt was,I found (during test run) my 2/2 infantry/archer was completely eliminated but there are still 6-8 Kushites left and heading to the dock area...When I used 4 archers+2 infantry+some police,I lost ~10 infrantry +1-2 archer before all kushites were killed.Infantry are pretty tough in hit points and armor(can withstand 40-50 blows,I believe),and they provided much better protections to archers(than policemen),so they are still useful.

Ehhh...I've just loaded one of the save at the second invasion,I used 2 infantry companies to deal with them,and the result:all 32 infantry died AND they killed ONE axeman!I don't know how to explain this...

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Tomek
Pharaolympics 2000 Competitor
posted 09-07-00 07:43 ET (US)     13 / 15       
Hey guys , what have you done with a thread about blessings ?!
JWorth
Pharaolympics 2000 Competitor
posted 09-07-00 09:12 ET (US)     14 / 15       
Blessings? Oh, right, blessings. That is the official topic here. I usually just go to one of the threads linked up above for info on blessings. FWIW, I've had the same experience with random blessings as everybody else.

As far as your battle goes, Plebus, your infantry (from your post, I'm assuming that's all you had in that test) probably wounded lots of the Kushites, but only did enough damage to kill one. I'm not sure if that's what's confusing about the test.

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Plebus
Pharaolympics 2000 Competitor
posted 09-07-00 11:20 ET (US)     15 / 15       
Tomek,sereral days ago,I happened to find a thread in techincal forum,where Sir Dumbicus asked some questions about his computer "Not shut down",you'll be surpeised to see what forumers are actually talking about.I have to say that's one of the most enjoyable thread I've ever read,especially about first 50 posts...so,this is also my "unofficial" recommandation.

J,probably your are right.

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