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Topic Subject:Is it worth buying?
Lord Lincoln
posted 01-28-02 14:20 ET (US)         
Hi all, just hopped over here from Stronghold Heaven. My question is whether or not Pharaoh is worth buying. I have read a few reviews and they liken it to Caesar 3, which I already have. So, is it very similar, or are there differences, and therefore, is it worth buying? Your advice would be appreciated!
posted 01-28-02 15:53 ET (US)     1 / 13       
Hello Lord Lincoln, it's definitely worth buying!!! I'm a bit lazy this evening and I'm also not very experienced with Caesar3, so I'll let the other forummembers do the explaining on why it's definitely worth buying (if you liked Caesar3)...

a Flemish Knight
HG Alumnus
posted 01-28-02 16:05 ET (US)     2 / 13       
Hi Lord Lincoln, welcome to Pharaoh Heaven.

Naturally, most of the people at this forum will say that Pharaoh is well worth the money. You'd get more variety in your answers somewhere else.

C3 and Pharaoh (and Zeus) share the same game engine, so the basics (walkers, vacant lots, etc) are the same, but enough has changed to make the game experience quite different.

Perhaps the biggest difference is in monument building--there is nothing like it in C3, but some people consider maps which require the larger pyramids to be boring. There are more missions in the Pharaoh career (family history), and some of them have more challenges than any of the C3 missions. From what I hear, Pharaoh's map editor is better. To me, the main advantage of C3 is that it has less control and requires more overall strategy (which I really like), although some people consider that a disadvantage.

These are some clear-cut ways Pharaoh is easier than C3:
* Markets (bazaars) have special orders (each market can be told what to buy). This is perhaps the most important.
* There are 2 buyers for each market (bazaar), 1 for food and 1 for non-food goods.
* Granaries and warehouses (storage yards) have more extensive special orders.
* Granaries and warehouses (storage yards) can "get" from each other.
* The lowest-level patrician (scribal) houses form when they expand from 2x2 to 3x3, allowing individual control.
* Imports can be set to a specific amount.
* There are 120 (more with Cleopatra) possible entertainment "points", instead of 100.
* Granaries do not contain intersections.
* There are roadblocks for random walker control, which (compared to gatehouses) are smaller, cheaper, not undesirable, and look better.

These are some clear-cut ways that Pharaoh is harder than C3:
* Some entertainment venues contain intersections.
* Plazas may be built only on upgraded roads.

Many changes have mixed effects. Pharaoh farms harvest only 1 or 2 times per year, which means that production can be maximized when food storage is much farther away, but also means that more food storage (without micromanagement) is needed. Also, Pharaoh farms may be irrigated, have variable fertility, and (for floodplain farms) are affected by the (somewhat uncertain) annual floods, all of which I prefer.

Another change with mixed effects is water delivery. Pharaoh water supplies work like other buildings, but must be placed on grass. C3 reservoirs and fountains are a completely separate system, but can (in most cases) be put anywhere (with enough aqueducts). Both are appealing, but I slightly prefer the C3 water system.

These are some of the previous threads on the same topic:
C3 v PH v Zeus ?
the difference between C3 and pharaoh.
Pharaoh easier than C3
Pharaoh vs Caesar 3
Pharaoh vs. Caesar 3
Pharaoh Vs. C3

[This message has been edited by Brugle (edited 01-28-2002 @ 04:12 PM).]

posted 01-28-02 16:29 ET (US)     3 / 13       
Waw Brugle!!! You still have loads of energy, I notice!
Pharaoh has also very very nice graphics! Building the monuments is a real achievement and something you are proud of when finished.

a Flemish Knight
Pharaolympics 2000 Competitor
posted 01-28-02 16:38 ET (US)     4 / 13       
** Follows LL from SH ... **

I bought Pharaoh two years ago for 30:00, I have been playing nearly solidly for two years, its bought frustration, punches to the air in relief and 10 foot celebratory knee slides down the hall....Its bought me to a place like this....the Heaven sites, each member here is a character, both witt and wisdom are rife here, some members frequent more than others but we all know and respect each other very well.... We share good and bad times.

Look at the competition threads for the pharolympics, the pharaoh cup, you'll see how much people enjoy this game and all that comes with it.


My question is whether or not Pharaoh is worth buying

Answer........YES !!

**yeah, yeah, I,m felling sentimental**

**Bottom lips quivering**

The master of making easy look hard ---- What's wrong with Scooby Doo boxers?
Cockfosters visitor via a stunt cannon ---- Fan of the Great Cornholio Tee shirt dance
Coyote ugly beauty, parrott mangler & all round good egg ---- Have leather pants will travel

[This message has been edited by Rocky (edited 01-28-2002 @ 04:39 PM).]

Lord Lincoln
posted 01-28-02 17:02 ET (US)     5 / 13       
Thanks guys for you prompt and detailed answers, looks like all Heaven Forums are exceptional, I was a regular at AOE Heaven. Well it loks like I might have to invest a few quid, and add Pharaoh to my ever expanding colection of RTS games. Once again , thanks
Eminence Grise
posted 01-29-02 04:23 ET (US)     6 / 13       
You'll find our 'flavour' to be...somewhat different from AoEH, Lord Lincoln
posted 01-30-02 08:28 ET (US)     7 / 13       
These are some clear-cut ways that Pharaoh is harder than C3:
* Some entertainment venues contain intersections.
* Plazas may be built only on upgraded roads.

I think there are some other areas where Pharaoh is tougher than Caesar 3:

* The River Nile plays a huge part in strategic considerations. Enemies can attack on either side of the river.
* There's a lot more water-based trade in Pharaoh, which can be challenging if you don't know how to optimize your dock areas.
* There is usually less time to meet requests and prepare for invasions. And invasions and requests for goods/troops seem to start much earlier in a mission than in Caesar 3.

Of the three current citybuilding games, I prefer Pharaoh. But C3 and Zeus are plenty fun in their own right.

posted 02-01-02 11:18 ET (US)     8 / 13       
You could try to find out if you like Pharaoh or Zeus with the trial.
Pharaolympics 2000 Competitor
posted 02-02-02 03:51 ET (US)     9 / 13       
I second Rocky with his endorsement of Pharaoh. I, like all others here, have known the full range of emotion generated by this game from rage to joy, but the real satisfaction and enlightenment comes with the knowledge gained by those forum members willing to do the heavy lifting and then share that information with those of us who are research challenged.


posted 02-02-02 08:03 ET (US)     10 / 13       
I second the second of Rocky, and I second the research challenged part.
Civis Romanus
posted 02-04-02 21:07 ET (US)     11 / 13       
Yes. Though similar in play to Caesar III, Pharaoh and its expansion pack, Cleopatra, exposes players to what we know of the culture of ancient Egypt. In this respect it is sufficiently different from and deserves the same level of attention that is given to Caesar III.

Pharaoh may be a computer game, but I find it to be as informative as it is entertaining. I am a consumer of the "History Channel" and I am frequently amazed by how closely these games and the channel agree on matters of culture, if not necessarily the history touched upon by both.

However, if game play is of paramount importance to you, then I agree you should play the demo version first and make up your own mind. Pharaoh and Cleopatra are available now at good discount prices so the financial risk is minimal in comparison to games priced at US$40 to $50. Unless you intend to replay Caesar III over and over, it is a good thing to have a fresh "citybuilding" game to turn to as a change of pace from RPG's and first person shooters. Pharaoh and Cleopatra more than adequately serve that purpose.

Good luck... And let us know when you get that pyramid constructed.

posted 11-22-10 00:25 ET (US)     12 / 13       
I got C3 and Pharaoh/Cleo for 25 cents each about 7 or 8 years ago at Target. Best deal I have ever gotten on games.
posted 02-09-11 01:15 ET (US)     13 / 13       
I think if you really like it, it is worth
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